Glenn is clueless

Because they are LEGAL items they should be in plain view of everyone, including children?
PLayboy, Penthouse, et al, are also legal, but must have the covers hidden in most places.
TRUE TRUE TRUE...Glenn is an idiot, media hound. His EGO is only eclipsed by YOURS!!!
The front window at the CLARK station on 81 east, is a good example. This stuff don't need to be in open view of children, period. It sends the message, (that YOU, among others like to believe) that EVERYTHING, no matter what it is, is OK. They want to sell this stuff? OK.
Put it in a room behind a cutain, so only those that WISH to break the LAWS using drugs can go in and get what they want. Gonna be a sorry day IF you ever pass the BAR. Just what we need, another lawyer that don't give a dam about the laws on ILEGAL DRUG USE!!!!

Danimal,

You miss the point. I am opposed to drug laws, however that does not mean I support drug use. It only means I am opposed to the use of force to prevent people from taking drugs. It is wholly their decision, not the government's, not yours and not Derry Glenn's

The same holds true here. I am opposed to the government telling these retailers what they can and cannot display in their own private stores. If you don't like what they display, you do not have to shop there. That is called FREEDOM. Try it sometime, you might like it.

Also, Glenn did not even ask these shopkeepers to hide the items, he went straight to trying to pass a law to impose his will on others. That is called TYRANNY.

Finally, Americans crack me up. We want to hide nude photographs from children, yet we allow them to be exposed to all kinds of violence through television and video games. I would much rather my children see a nude model than watch someone get their head blown off. No wonder there is so much killing in this country.

~tjl~

Well, I hear the lawyer comming out of you AGAIN! Mine is a simple mind, I admit. If you are for DRUG abuse,(and thats exactly what you said) then you are PRO-EVERYTHING that drug abuse causes. Do I need to make a list for you? Get off the fence Tom.
Also, with your 'reasoning' all laws are TYRANNY, because every law was started with someone wanting to impose their will on others. Why do aspire to become a lawyer if all laws are tyranny?
Where do you draw the line on what you would have your children see in nude models? (MODELS? Right. For most of them, tramps would be a better word.) Where is the line TOM? Nudes that are standing in the shower? How about the ones where they are masterbaiting? OK with you? How about sex acts or even child porn? After all, that too is the government imposing it's WILL on the people. Right?
Finally, liberals crack me up. You say you oppose drug laws, and the enforcement of them. Although it has been PROVEN time and time again that drug use/abuse is a KEY factor in many other crimes. So....if a drug user/abuser commits a rape or murder or robbery et al, who do we blame? I blame the bleeding heart liberals that say everyone has a right to do as they please. If you are not AGAINST something...then you are FOR it. (and don't try the compare that with G. Bush saying if you arn't with us your against us..two entirely differant things) How high a fence do wish to straddle before you come crashing down to reality my friend?

Danimal,

You are still not getting it. Let me try to spell it out for you.

I am opposed to drug abuse. However, I am opposed to drug laws. Who are you to tell someone that they cannot take drugs? What business is it of yours? And where do you draw the line? If it's OK to ban drug use, why not alcohol? Why not cigarettes? Why not fast-food? Why not junk food? Why don't we just let you and the government dictate our meals and diets since clearly you know better than the rest of us? How about banning television to stop our sedentary lifestyles? How about mandating an hour of exercise a day or you can go to prison?

Better yet, why not legalize drugs and then help addicts deal with their problems? After all, how does sending them to prison help them or society?

As far as drugs leading to other crimes, we settled that with Prohibition. Most drug crimes occur because drugs are illegal. Legalize and regulate them and most of the blackmarket-related crime, like what happened during Prohibition, will disappear.

Laws should only protect the rights of citizens, not deny them rights. For example, laws against murder and assault and theft are OK because they protect the citizens from having his or her rights violated by another. Laws against displaying items that COULD be used for drug use only violates rights and protects no one. Can you see the distinction? The Golden Rule is a good guide here.

Finally, what I let my children see is my business, not yours or the government. I know how to be a parent. If a store is displaying items I don't want my children to see, they won't go in there and neither will I. See how the free market works?

~tjl~

NO, you are the one that don't get "IT". But thats OK. I was young once myself, and had an attitude much like your's. But I grew out of it.
I am also someone that deals with addicts on a daily, and nightly basis. I went through the horor af addiction. I know first hand what I am talking about. You know only a liberals dream world assessment of it. I answer the phone at all hours from people who are trying to fight that 1st drink, first hit, first snort, before they are off and running to God only knows where. They fear for their life, and the lifes of those they may hurt. But the evil of addiction at times supercedes these fears. Many night I have not slept at all helping someone, then go in to work and make it through the day. Amd I am telling you flat out, if you just legalize all drugs, the problem will grow expedentialy. And you seem to advocate that. You say "thats fine, now we jusr treat the adicted people. To alot of users, thats like giving you children scissors, and letting them run with them, because we can just get them stitched up later. Thats just crazy, but its the exact same thinking you promote. Instead of spending all those hundreds of millions on treating NEW addicts, lets build more prisons, and hire more ploice and drug agents. That creates jobs. I'd rather see my tax $$$ there than treat MORE addicted people with ruined lives because people like you wish to supply the whole dam world with death.

Danimal,

If you know so much about addiction, then you of all people should know that treatment, not prison, is the answer.

Look at Prohibition. When alcohol was illegal, alcohol-related crime went through the roof, just as it has with drug-related crime.

When alcohol was legalized, crime dropped.

Your comments are liberal nonsense. Just because something becomes legal does not mean everyone will run out and obtain it. That is exactly the same kind of liberal BS we get everytime they don't like an increase in freedom. Remember the concealed carry arguments? Blood in the streets and Wild West were the arguments liberals were making. And, here we are today a safer state because people are allowed to carry concealed weapons. Same with alcohol. Did everyone become an alcoholic when it was legalized?

You need to stop thinking with your bleeding heart and start using your head.

~tjl~

Excuse me? I am ANYTHING BUT liberal. I am about as conservitive as they come, so no further INSULTS by including me in your liberal club. (But I suspect you intended to say consrvative) You need to grow up and leave your utopian dream world. FACT. Alcohism DROPed 60% in the 1st years of prohibition. Look it up. AND furthermore the crime rate you speak of that went through the roof is (a) counting the arrests that were made BECAUSE people were selling and making alcohol. Much the same as crime rates now, enforcing the drug laws. and (b) GANG, ie MAFIA crime against OTHER Mafia bosses for control. But I do enjoy the way you try to skew the facts. Shows you'r liberal bent. I'd bet you think O.J. was 'not guity' too.

Clearly you are VERY liberal. Perhaps you need to look up the definition of liberal. When you claim to want to pass a law "for the children" you sound like Hillary Clinton.

And alcoholism didn't drop 60 percent. The use of alcohol dropped because in that first year it was hard to get. But, according to you liberals, alcoholism is a disease and doesn't go away.

And there is no skewing of facts. The vast majority of drug crimes today would disappear if drugs were legalized. That is a fact. Drugs are profitable on the streets today because they are hard to get. When you can walk into a store and buy them at a reasonable price, the motivation for the black market disappears and, along with it, drug-related crime. You saw it after Prohibition and you see it today with the black market for cigarettes increasing as government taxes cigarettes out of existence.

Finally, are you going to dispute the court record? A jury found O.J. "not guilty," so yes, he was "not guilty." How can you deny that? Does that mean he didn't do it? Of course not. I believe he did it but you liberals got him off. That doesn't change the fact that he is legally "Not Guilty." You are the one wanting to follow the law so live with that.

Now you have gone TOO FAR. I'd rather be called any four letter word your expanded, egotistical mind can think up, than be compaired to that woman. YOU are the one who is ALMOST CINTONIAN in every stance you take. Like a clinton clone. Did you Inhale? And just what is the defonition of "IS"?

OH and its the Doctors and scientist that claim (rightly so) that adiction is a disease. I don't believe one's politco bent had a damn thing to do with it. Rich/poor/black/white/brown/yellow/red...any age...either sex...liberal/conservitive/cough cough. LIBERTARIAN...anyone and everyone is a potential addict. And yes...BECAUSE it was harder to get alcohol is the VERY reason the numbers DID improve (60% is the accepted stat) soooooo continuing to make drugs harder to get will and HAS (check the Justice system web site/DEA) made drug use lower than in the past. Or don't you believe the JUSTICE SYSTEM REPORTS? I mean, are not you about to JOIN that very system? Or is that just for money and ego?

Tom, just for the record, the countries in Europe that have legalized dri=ugs in the past, and those that still have them, ALL reported incresed drug related crime and addiction directly related to the legalization. Also, Aalaska tryed to legalize majauana, and after a short time, recalled the legalization. So while not EVERYONE, as you say, will run out and buy drugs, MORE PEOPLE will. Its been proven over and over. And in the very FACE of all the shootings here in town, ALL DRUG RELATED BY THE WAY, you still take the stand that you want MORE of the same. I din't think there has been one shooting this year in Lima that has not been drug related in some form or another.

Tom, ...... liberal
ADJECTIVE: 1a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism. d. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States. liberally, liberalness
I assure you, that is not me.

conservative:
ADJECTIVE:

Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.

Of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism.
Belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement.
Conservative Of or belonging to the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.
Conservative Of or adhering to Conservative Judaism.
Tending to conserve; preservative: the conservative use of natural resources.
NOUN:

One favoring traditional views and values.
A supporter of political conservatism.
Now that is me.
The traditional view on drugs...they are not legal. They never need to be legal.
Public display of nudity..(lude crude, perverse) not acceptable. Thats is a CONSERVATIVE view. Perhaps you should go back to class.
For instance, I know I can't spell worth a crap. Never could, it does not make sense to me. Huked on foniks werks 4 me. But in my case, I know it is a short comming. HOwever, in your case, you are having trouble with two simple concepts...conservative/liberal....and cant even understand that you are wrong.

Responsible merchants do not promote drug paraphernalia by giving it "up front" display. Yes, it's legal. I'd say make the customer ask to see it but, of course, that might cut down on sales. It is so hypocritical to send our youth to anti-drug rallies at school then let them stop in these stores to see this stuff displayed on the way home. Probably there will be no law ever passed against, but these stores' customers should ask the proprietors to get the stuff out of sight.

Tornado,

I agree that if these products are problematic, it is between the merchant and his or her customers, not the government or Derry Glenn.

However, what I think most people are forgetting here is that these products are not made wholly for drug use. Most of the products Glenn is whining about have a legitimate use that has nothing to do with drugs. So why should they be hidden? Should we hide every product that has an alternative use in the drug culture? Should glue be kept behind the counter and out of sight?

This is typical Derry Glenn lunacy. He perceives a problem and then wants to address a symptom or a peripheral problem that does nothing to address the real problem.
He is gimcrack.

~tjl~

If it walks like a duck.............
Tom, in one store I counted 6 styles of pipes. All were about 3-5 inches long, with a slight indentation in one end. They were made from glass, and came in every color of the rainbow.
The indent at the end was about the size of a BeeBee, maybe two. Oh my goodness, whatever could these be for? There were at least 200 of 'em. Displayed right next to some pipes we used to call BONGS. Water type pipes, do you recall them?
Please, please tell me that they are being sold to smoke tobacco. I would so hate to think that people were buying them to smoke CRACK or something. I might be the only one that thinks these are sold for crack etc... Won't be the 1st time I was wrong

Ya think those pipes with the liuttle indent are made like that so you can use them to help cut back so you can quit smoking? Do ya huh, do ya huh ?? Bet that's it , yup.

Bongs?, that what they call em. For the longest time I thought they were called " heeeeyy maann paaasssssss that over heerree's"

Mr. L. all joking aside I guess I'm as dumb as danimal, if you aren't for drug use , how can you not be for drug enforcement??
You have to realize not all drug use is a bunch of yuppies at a cocktail party having a little toot.
The crap we have to put up with in most of society is the "stay high so I don't have to face reality'" scum. You have to look beyond the diamond tennis bracelet, $400.00 suit bunch, get down to street level reality. Do you think that if drugs are legalized all the little hop-heads are gonna rush right out and get a legal job so they can buy legal drugs?
NO, they will still be out robbing, stealing , what ever it takes shy of a job to get their trash.
I was in a bike "club" and was one of those people our parents warned us about, when I was younger and dumber. I have seen this crap first hand. Until you come down to reality and get down to street level you DON"T KNOW, BELIEVE ME YOU DON'T KNOW.
Were not talking the "yuppie" bunch!

I admit , I did acid, speed, weed, meth., thanks to the grace of God I never liked it well enough to get hooked. I've seen those cute little fuzzy, orange, and bright pink critters running around in my yard, under all those neat shooting stars and stuff. It ain't all that neat, there is some serious stuff out there now ! If you've never been around the lower level, trust me it ain't pretty. I have seen first hand what they did to friends and people I knew. Believe me, it's not one of those "if its legal to get, it'll go away deals!"

When they repealed prohibition, the after hour joints didn't go away, if they legalize drugs cheaper, more dangerous stuff will come about. The drug dealers ain't gonna go out to find legal work, ("WORK" , oh my God )

I work construction, I run cranes, and am subject to random drug tests. In my job I don't want any one that has anything to do with drugs anywhere near me. In my personal life I feel the same way. Ciao "Tee"

I ask that everyone go to Google video and watch "American Drug War".
Thanks,
Eleanor

Well, so what are we suposed to gleen from this? That talking about drugs/alcohol and fighting it makes it MORE popular? So if we just ignore it, and dont fight it, and stop saying it is bad....that it will subside? HOGWASH!!
I ask everyone to google ...department of justice/dea That will give you the other side of the story. Even though it is a government site, I deem the content MUCH MORE reliable than that video Fleanor offered. IMO.

Danimal,
I don't know if you watched the video that I was talking about. I find it interesting how so many people have the same opinion about marijuana. Makes me believe even more how the general public has such conditioned thinking. It's funny how you can completely condition a society into believing the same things. Step out of the box, turn off the TV, and begin doing your own independent investigating. Another way to condition society is to create the illusion that if you don't hear it from the media or some government "official" that it is not credible and therefore, not true. Look into this so called "War on drugs". How do these drugs get here?
So let me get this right, on the 7th day, God looked down on his beautiful creation and said "S*@T, I left marijuana all over the place.

Forgot to add this link. An interview with a DEA agent.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2008/270508drugs.htm
Eleanor

I have said before that I don't feel the need to keep marijuana illegal. Go ahead, legalize it.
Its all the HARD drugs that cause clear personality, (violance most times) changes, that need to stay illegal. Also, if they interviewed the thousands of other DEA agents, you'd hear a differant story. Its always that way.

Danimal,

First, it is irrelevant what the pipes are used for. They are not illegal and I don't think the government should dictate how merchants display their wares. I have no problem with government officials ASKING the merchants to hide the items. But it has to be voluntary. If you don't like it, you can always boycott that store and tell others to do so as well. That kind of behavior always works better than government mandates anyway.

As far as human behavior and the use of illegal substances, we only have to look to Prohibition. After it was lifted, the killings in the streets stopped almost immediately. So, yes, prohibition leads to murder in the streets. Also, the black market always tends to inflate prices. Legal products have less allure for street peddlers because there is no longer the huge profit margins that you have today.

~tjl~

Tee Cee,

You never said if you inhaled??

Seriously, I am not naïve about drug use. But you bring up a point that is a common misconception. I support the legalization of drugs, not the use of drugs. I simply believe drug use is a personal choice and no business of the government’s. I think it is a bad thing to do, but freedom does not mean allowing things that are popular or healthy. Freedom means allowing things that others, even the majority, might consider bad.

And yes, I think the violence and crime will greatly decrease with legalization. Drugs will become cheaper and easier to get. So those who are addicted will have no need to rob and kill for it. Also, all that money spent now fighting the war on drugs can be better spent on education and recovery. But if a person chooses to remain addicted to drugs, there is nothing the government can or should do. I have no problem punishing those who rob and kill for drugs or while on drugs, but ultimately, people should have the right to buy, sell and use drugs so long as they don’t harm anyone else.

Finally, I have no problem with businesses conducting drug tests. A person still has a choice. Stay off drugs or find another place to work. In fact, I suspect legalization and more businesses conducting drug tests will reduce drug use and addiction to a minimal number.

~tjl~

Eleanor,

Great links! Thank you. I couldn't find the full movie for the drug war so I downloaded. I wold post it here, but I am afraid there might be a copyright issue.

Again, thanks for the links!

~tjl~