10 June 2008

Another simple-minded argument from creationists


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A journalist with France 24 in Paris sent me this video (yes that is Kirk Cameron, he became a Christian evangelical at age 17 and is a partner in the evangelical Christian ministry The Way of the Master) and asked me to defend its conclusions. While I appreciate the opportunity to express my opinion to the French people, this video, which is several years old, is beyond defending.

The idea that the banana proves the existence of God simply because its shape makes it easy for humans to hold and eat is preposterous. Such arguments give all Christians, especially evangelicals, a bad name. Using the logic of this video, one could easily argue that the pear, pineapple, or apple, to name a few, disprove the existence of God because they are not as convenient to hold or eat.

Nor does the conclusion reached by Cameron and his buddy, Ray Comfort, take into account the wild banana. The banana we eat today is the result of thousands of years of domestication and cultivation. The wild banana, on the other hand, is not as easy to eat, is full of hard seeds, and is shaped differently. Also, if the banana is so perfect, why is it is so difficult to ship without damage?

This is typical of the simple-minded thought processes of some creationists. They are so convinced that the universe was created in a way imagined by some Jewish priest 6,000 years ago that they will grasp at every straw to try to make things fit their preconceived notions. Imagine what life would be like if doctors relied on 6,000-year-old Jewish texts when performing medical procedures.

Another tired argument of some creationists is that complex items must have a creator (of course that ignores the fact that evolution does not rule out a creator). For example, Cameron, in an appearance on FOX News' "The O'Reilly Factor," brought out the tired creationist argument about the eye. He argues, as do many creationists (including Bill O'Reilly, who called the Big Bang Theory and loony idea), that the eye could only have been created by God and not through evolution because of its complexity. That, of course, ignores all the various types of eyes in nature and how they are uniquely adapted to each species' needs. This is exactly the kind of behavior an evolutionist would expect to see.

What Cameron and other creationists need to understand is that just because something is complex does not mean it must have been created by some magical cloud being. Besides, such arguments by these evangelicals are insulting to the omnipotent power of God. Of course, an omnipotent God could create the universe through evolution. Cameron called the idea of evolution as unbelievable, which seems to demonstrate a lack of faith in the omnipotence of God.

That being said, the idea that God just magically had the universe appear in its current form is ludicrous, especially considering that every single pieces of scientific evidence points otherwise and that the rest of the universe operates in a predictable, orderly fashion following strict laws.

Seems Cameron is as poor of an intellect as he was as an actor. Maybe he should try infomercials.



Oh man, I have seen Cameron's show, Way of the Master. I am a christain and believe Cameron has a heart for the Lord, but the bananna thing, oh man! Come on Cameron don't strecth it, it's hard enough to show the love of God without the bananna thing, geeze. rolleyes

10 June 2008 20:36:38
God can't be proven with physical evidence, and certainly not if that "evidence" is a banana. It's ok for someone to observe a banana, and the complexity of it to support their own beliefs in a creator. I get what he's saying. But you're not likely to win anyone over with that argument.

But likely, your "scientific evidence" would seem lame to him as well. Evolution can't be proven either. We've never observed life springing forth from non-life, nor have we ever obseved one species turn into a completely different species.

10 June 2008 22:15:00
Hey, Mr. L. I believe in the big bang theory too, God spoke and "BANG" here we are!
Really Mr. L. look at that beautiful new daughter of yours, do you really think that is the end result of some pond scum that washed up on a pond bank and evolved ?
I just can't support that myself. Ciao

10 June 2008 23:39:26
WOW, Have Christians really gone this far?
I can't think of a more idiotic reason to beleive in creationism than this here...I do beleive in creatiion...but this??? I don't know what kind of idiots they think whatch this show and actually change their opinion based on this. (Wow...look how GOD made the banana...so perfect for me to hold and eat...he must have made the world in seven days...yeah, that's logical...NOT) I don't know why they just can't come out to people and say " hey, I know it doesn't sound like it makes much sense...that GOD made the world in six days and rested the seventh day...very helpful that rest was...but you he IS GOD and, you know, it's more about faith than fact anyway." We don't know how long GOD considers a day to him. I believe there is a passage in the Bible that says that everyday to GOD is like a thousand years and a thousand years like a day. I'm just saying that more of it has to do with faith than fact. Scientists tell us that the world or Earth is several million years old...and they base this on carbon dating...which is a very flawed guess test...but yet people have faith in the scientists. Some schools will even try to teach Darwins' theory of evolution as fact...and even Darwin himself stated that it is just a theory.

10 June 2008 23:54:26
This is what a wild banana looks like. This is how God created them:


11 June 2008 10:29:06
The banana routine was done tongue-in-cheek. Their point was that there are 6 billion people on this earth, and 99% of the starvation that takes place is due to dictators intentionally starving people--not a lack of food. It's amazing that we all have food. It's amazing that we can chew it, and digest it. There isn't even a theory for how the digestive system evolved. The food, appetite, ability to find food, ability to eat food, digestive juices, and the body’s resistance to its digestive juices are all required.

Complex items must have a creator. It's obvious to everyone in everyday life. The foolishness doesn't rest with creationists, but with athiests who deny this obvious fact. There are a ton of unanswered questions with evolution and atheism, and in order to continue with atheism, much faith is required.

11 June 2008 13:52:01
Well said Bill

11 June 2008 17:04:32
No matter what! Christianity is based of faith and believe. No matter how we got here. An Supreme being had to do it. Just look around us. Native Americans believe more in Creation than anyone else. That there is a Great Spirit that Creates everything.

11 June 2008 18:36:04
Well. What came 1st. The chiken or the egg? I'll tell you, around my house, the egg comes 1st, because I don't eat chicken for breakfast! And the old adage "there are no atheists in fox holes" is true true true. None in jail either. Just ask what book is most requested from first time inmates, and the rest I imagine. The problem is [most] people don't rely on the Bible until they have trouble in their life. If we all read it more often, (even atheists) there would be a lot less strife and stress in our daily lives. Its the best self help book ever written.
Bengal bob, the newest science says the Earth is 4.5 billion years old. The Sun is 5 billion, with all the planets forming in the 500 million year span after the sun formed. EGADS...what the [heck] is a billion? Does it matter?
Creation is what it is. Did God have a hand it it? I believe he did, and does. Does that mean God left evolution out of the equasion? Of course not. It's built right in.
I believe in God. Why would anyone not? For me, I don't want to take any chance of missing whats after this life, and hopefully enjoying it. I also feel that a belief in God, and salvation is the way to get there. I do not believe that everyone will be just allowed in heaven because they were human.
Tom, the EYE thing you spoke of. Well you say its just a natural event. Ok. An amemba was just hanging out and decided to split into more cells. Then some of them got together and thought..( oh yea, they can't think) anyway, somehow they got joined up and then decided they needed more cells, all with differant functions. How natural. Then they decided they wanted to smell stuff cause they were hungry and needed food (whatever food was) So now we have a clump of cells all wanting to eat and smell stuff, with other stuff wanting to smell and eat them too. So they decided that if they had ears, they could hear the other clumps comming and get them first. But those clumps thought...I KNOW...lets grow an eye so we can see them before they hear us...better yet...LETS grow TWO of them!!! don't you find it strange that we have only one set of reproductive organs, but two eyes, ears arms legs...etc? And we need the sex organs to keep the speices alive, but yet we have one? AAAAHH YES, The Lord does work in mysterious ways.

11 June 2008 19:12:55
I have two testicles, just for the record.

11 June 2008 20:27:18
Averageguy,

Two of them, what did they evolve from? he he he.

11 June 2008 20:33:49
EGADS! eek

11 June 2008 23:22:43
Good grief, you do like sailing in shark infested waters, don't you! The whole creation/evolution thing will never be resolved as the creationists can commandeer evolution by making it God's process (though it does cause Old Testament problems). The idea that some 'being' could be bothered creating us is at best pretentious. That he then wants us to worship him is just plain unhealthy and smacks of unethical cloning.

12 June 2008 17:02:51



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