07 September 2008

[COLUMN] The liberal attack on Palin

Sarah Palin

In this Aug., 29 file photo, Republican vice presidential candidate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, is introduced by Republican presidential candidate, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., during a campaign rally in Dayton, Ohio. (AP Photo/Stephan Savoia, File)

Liberal bloggers have to be the lowest form of life on the planet.

I am a classical liberal, so I disagree with liberals and conservatives alike, or at least what passes for liberalism and conservatism today. They are simply two sides of the same big government, anti-freedom coin. Being neither a conservative nor a liberal gives me a perspective on both that adherents of those two philosophies lack because of their natural biases.

It is important, if one wishes to be informed, to read a variety of arguments on the issues of the day. Refusing to read viewpoints that run contrary to your own personal beliefs is intellectual sloth as well as intellectual vanity. Reading opinion with which you agree merely confirms your own prejudices and comforts your own ignorance.

Besides, it is boring.

To that end, I read many liberal and conservative viewpoints as well as listen to and watch pundits and politicians from both camps. I can say, without a doubt, that the left is far more hateful and irresponsible than the right.

I am, frankly, downright disgusted by the pure, hate-filled vitriol I read on left-wing blogs, much of which can't be published in a family newspaper.

It sickens my heart.

 

The latest garbage spewing from the left came against Gov. Sarah Palin. In addition to the appropriate attacks on her politics, there were wholly inappropriate attacks on her family and patently false accusations passed off as truth.

Some people like to say the mainstream media is a dinosaur and that the future is with the new media. However, many bloggers, particularly on the left, demonstrate that they lack the discipline that the mainstream media have. They don't seem to care about facts, only about propaganda.

Take, for example, the wholly ludicrous accusation that Palin's 4-month old son, Trig, was actually the son of her 17-year-old daughter, Bristol.

It would have taken a massive conspiracy to keep that a secret and certainly, if that were the case, Sen. John McCain's team would have discovered it and he probably would not have considered her as his running mate.

The accusation becomes even more ridiculous after Palin revealed that Bristol was five months pregnant. Simple math tells you that it is downright impossible that Bristol could have given birth to Trig four months ago and still be five months pregnant. Moreover, the media's demand for a DNA test to prove it is unbelievable.

While we are on the subject of the mainstream (liberal) media, I am disappointed in their behavior as well. Is it newsworthy that Palin's husband, Todd, was cited for drunken driving more than two decades ago?

The same media that declined to publish a woman's credible rape claim against Bill Clinton had no problem giving so much credence to a fired employee when he accused her of wrongdoing.

Additionally, I found the sexist questions about her ability to raise a family while serving as vice president (a position, by the way, that has very few responsibilities beyond casting tie-breaking votes in the Senate) wholly inappropriate. After all, has anyone asked the same question of Barack Obama, who has been crisscrossing the nation for the last 19 months instead of spending time with his young daughters?

Finally, the media and left-wing bloggers insinuated that it was a personal failing of Palin's that Bristol became pregnant. Mistakes are a way of life. It is how we handle them by which we should be judged. Bristol decided not to abort the child and marry the father.

How awful!

Why does the left fear Sarah Palin?

Because Palin was an excellent choice for McCain.

She has the conservative credentials that McCain lacks. She is energetic and photogenic. She is young, a woman, and a mother. She maintains a high popularity rating in Alaska. She has more experience than Obama.

What the left-wing bloggers don't seem to understand is that their hate-filled vitriol tells us more about their lack of substantive ideas than it does about Palin.

In the end, my concern is not for Palin. She can handle herself. No, I fear for the future of intelligent and meaningful public debate, which is the lifeblood of any free society.



Tom,
This post of yours needs to be printed in double sized red font on every newspaper in the USA. The left wing has always been far more likely to dig up trash, or just make it up, then the right has been. Most people see clean through these false accusations, but some are taken in by them and love the gossip.
While the underdog side of me loves the Veep choice of Palin, and part of me wants to vote for HER, I must remember that I am not voting for a VP. So the real choice comes back to B.O. and Mac. Guess in the end, I am still casting a third party vote, unless something changes dramaticaly.
Very good post, and it needs to be said olouder and more often. The liberal DemoRATS have been shooting their self in the foot for the last 50 years with these kinds of moronic issues during election years. and they wonder why people vote in the lessor of the evils. Even after they gained control in DC, they never did the things they swore to do. Pelosi and her crowd proved themselves liars agian. Nothing new here for the liberals.

07 September 2008 05:00:12
It will be interesting to see how the liberals, especially Hillary backers, can justify their sexist anti-Sarah rhetoric.

The average blue-collar or lower-income democrat wants "someone who they can identify with." The Palin's have a baby with Down syndrome and a teen about to have a baby. One of the Palin's is trying to get a job that puts them in the position so the other can stay home for the children.

If Chelsea was 17 and pregnant, and had younger siblings, the Hillary backers would have used the "someone they can identify with" montra during the primaries.

Also, how can the liberals fixate on Todd's DUI after the glorification of Ted Kennedy during the DNC?

07 September 2008 06:59:16
I am thankful for this article, Tom. I also have been reading both sides of the issues, especially this one, since it is so blatantly biased against Sarah. Every accusation against her has been refuted with proof, including the charges by the media that Palin had an affair with her husband's partner, and the baby was his. I never saw anything brought out to this level before, and the dirt is still coming, fast and furious. And, like you said, Sarah Palin can take it.

As for McCain, I still don't like him, and certainly don't like the way he was selected, and am now ambivalent about how I will vote. If he does win the election, I hope he realizes he won on the skirts of a strong, conservative woman, unlike himself, and makes attempts at emulating her on the issues.

07 September 2008 08:58:27
A couple of years ago I watched a National Geographic special on a tribe of chimpanzees.
One mother chimpanzee had a infant,for some reason the rest of the females became
enraged and attacked the mother snatched her infant from her grasp and tore it to pieces.
The feminists and their attacks on Palin, for the decision to keep her special needs baby and encouraging her daughter to keep her baby and not abort them, reminds me of those
rabid female chimps.

07 September 2008 10:56:37
Great analogy, SgtGideonsDad. And, so true. The Democratic Party, as well as the media were like a bunch of attack dogs the moment they laid eyes on Sarah Palin. It is mind boggling how an entire section of Americans could come out in unison, and trash a person before they have one clue about what the person is, or what she stands for. Sarah Palin is everything the liberal women have claimed to be themselves. From Hollywood stars on down, or up, they are all hypocrites and wrapped up in catty jealousies, unbefitting children, let alone so-called adults. They should be ashamed, but people like them have no shame, only excuses that don't cut the mustard.

07 September 2008 11:20:27
Dear Mr. Lucente,

Geez. If the libertarian leaders were like you I'd pay a lot more attention to them.

A couple of subjects: The New Media and the political structure.

I am deeply alarmed about the travails of the print media - specifically newspapers. Who is going to sit in on the city council meetings and the zoning board hearings? Who is going to spend hours going through the records at the courthouse? Who is going to do that most boring and least glamorous job of all - the police beat? The professional press is our watchdog on the things that happen when nobody is looking. It is a vital infrastructure of our society. If it crumbles I fear that we would not be able to rebuild it before our masters take over.

Politics

My first awareness of politics came when I watched Harry Truman on TV. The damnable tube is largely responsible for the parlous state of our polity. When the party leaders picked the nominee and provided the ground troops there was an institutional integrity that kept out the crooks. Of course the money flowed - as it always has and as it always will - but that money had to buy a lot of people to be heard.

That all changed in 1960. That was the first TV election. The cost of campaigning exploded. But worse, it meant that all you had to buy was one guy. These are the factions writ large as warned of in Federalist #10.

There have always been special interests in our politics. Indeed throughout all politics in time and space. The Democrats had much more organized and focused groups than the Republicans. They have taken over that party. The Republicans have been much more successful at keeping the factions at bay.

I, too, remember when liberal and conservative were a way of looking at the world - not a checklist of policy positions. The left has hijacked the once noble name Liberal. They've destroyed that brand so now they want to be called "Progressives". The right hijacked the label Conservative. They have been far less successful in controlling the party so now they just shout the angry word RINO.

Politics used to be fought at the margins. There was a commonality of feeling in the two parties about the role of government as a steward of the common weal. A couple of our States are not States but call themselves Commonwealths. Now the loudest voices shout apostasy at anybody who doesn't toe, not the line, but all of the lines. They've managed to change bi-partisanship into treason.

Philosophy - I get to write lofty and erudite BS.

The are sentiments of community and individualism in all of us. The vital test in our, or any, society is to find a stable balance between these two competing emotions. The collectivists, if undettered, destroy the individual - then all animals are equal, just some are more equal than others. The libertarians can lead us to anarchy to meet your new masters.

I have found my balance in the writings of Edmund Burke and Russell Kirk. Mr. Kirk wrote a wonderfully concise explication of classical conservatism in his "Ten Principles".

http://www.kirkcenter.org/kirk/ten-principles.html

I'd like to hear your thoughts on them.

Regards,
Roy Lofquist
Titusville, Florida

07 September 2008 13:34:39
Roy Lofquist,
I enjoyed your post very much, It gives someone much to think about. I hope you post here more often.

I have made it clear many times on this blog that I find McCain, not so appealing, as the republican canidate, and that I was strongly considering voting thrid party. That was untill he picked Palin as his running mate. I know that the VP position is largley symbolic and does not have alot of responsibilities, unless the president dies in office. I was shocked when McCain came out with his pick on that friday after the DemoRats convention. McCain may be an old dog, but maybe he can learn a few more tricks regarding the future of the party. Palin is a woman that seems too me, as someone who is real and not fake. Palin has a story not unlike many other Americans. Her Family is not perfect and does not try to hide it. I would bet that if you asked her twenty years ago if she had any aspirations of holding such a high office in government she would have laughed at you. That is what is so appealing about her to me. I don't want to seem like a cheerleader for Palin, but she is the neighbor down the street in your hometown.

People like Palin, and Gov. Bobby Jindal, should be the poster childern of the republican party in the future.

Let the media attack Palin, I welcome it, because it will backfire on them. More Americans will identify themselves with her and the life she has lead.

Now to get off the subject of polotics. I think Palin is sooo hot looking, WOW, what do the demoRATS have, Hillary??????

07 September 2008 15:39:46
I too, enjoyed Mr. Lofquist's letter, as well as yours, Scant. I also hope, more than believe, the McCain will be influenced by Sarah Palin, and the Americans who were charged up because of her, not as a woman, but as a person with values we relate to. I was thinking about voting 3d party, which would be a gamble. I now think voting for McCain is a lesser gamble, in that, if Sarah maintains her popularity, she might become the first female president of the U.S. I would rather endure 4 years with Sarah and McCain, than with Obama. Americans spoke loudly when Sarah was chosen, so our points did get across without going for a losing 3d party. All republican members of both Houses better take heed, or they will be gone.

07 September 2008 17:16:45
Mr. Lucente, The only people writing and spreading this kind of vitriol are columist like you. These Palin stories are limited to the bloggers until you share them in the newspaper. How can you assume that they are left wing liberals who are behind these and not just the same people who are interested in Brittanie Spears & Paris Hilton? I assume you wrote similar articles in defense of the stories that Hillary Clinton was a lesbian & that she killed Vince Foster. Surely you did all you could to stop the stories about Obama being a Muslin who took his oath of office on the Koran. Lastly, while changing the radio station I heard a supposive "Christian" radio commentation, saying that "liberals encouraged their women to have sex outside marriage because they could just get aborttions if they got pregrnant." ...talk about "being the lowest form of life of the planet."
Please write something worth reading, ...such as who's health care plan will be better if you are currently parital covered by your employeer. Will either McCain's or Obama's cover people who serious diagnosed conditions.

07 September 2008 20:09:33
Jefferson, The mainstream media picked up these stories. Andrea Mitchell did a job on Palin, accusing her of being unfit because she should be home with her kids. Alan Colmes said she caused her child to have Downs Syndrome. DailyKos.com, a mainstream liberal forum accused her child of having the baby, and the MSM milked it. It milked Bristol's pregnancy. Palin is all the rage on all the cable and regular stations, and you blame Tom for his blog? I have never seen such slander in my entire 60 years, and it doesn't seem like it's letting up.

Tom does write about serious issues. And, this is one of them. It's about the liberal media persecuting a woman because she is a woman, a smart woman at that. Palin is a threat, and the catty females have their claws out, along with men who feel threatened. What has been done to Sarah is a disgrace, and you are too liberal to care.

07 September 2008 20:22:58
The Drudgereport.com has an interesting item on top:

[quote]NYT PREPARES TO FRONT DETAILED STORY ON PALIN'S BABY, NEWSROOM SOURCES TELL DRUDGE... DEVELOPING...

07 September 2008 20:32:20
Tom, get your new column out on the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bailouts. This bailout confirms that socialism has finally come to America. I feel that it is a twisted socialism however, TILTED TOWARD THE RICH. (Let me explain)

There are unconstitutional policies that benefit the poor such as Social Security, Medicare and the income tax. However the bigger form of socialism is the socialization of costs to business with the privatization of the profits. Look at the two mortgage giants. When they were earning billions, the stockholders and corporate officers made out like bandits. And when the went bely-up due to horrible business practices did they lose that money? Nope, taxpayers like us are forced to step in and bail them out.

Neither candidate offers any hope to end this slide away from what made America great. Obama wouldn't know how even if he wanted to and McCain showed his true colors when picking the governor of Alaska, a state infamous for its begging for federal handouts . . . and the same crtiicism holds true for her as Obama, she wouldn't know how to get it done even if she wanted to.

I have been able to vote for three presidential elections in my lifetime. I voted in the first two elections but did not vote for President as there were no candidates worth voting for outside of the primaries. This year, I am not going to vote at all because I have given up on the political system to do anything productive except steal my money and give it to those who will not work or are here illegally and those who are wealthy and just rigged the game for their benefit.

DON't VOTE IN 08!

08 September 2008 09:56:24
Lucente -

Any attacks at Palin that I've noticed have been baited, ruthlessly, by the Republican team. I'm not saying that they're a laudable form of debate or anything, but to insist that this is all the "liberal media's" fault is a bit of an underachievement in reporting. Every attack at Palin, in some form or another, is not a merely an attack on Palin herself but an attack on the audacity of supposedly moralists on the Republican side. This nomination flies in the face of so many of the values that they've insisted they believe in that it would be a crime not to say so. If a candidate like Palin is thrust into our faces as a good ol' hockey mom and champion mother, prancing her children around onstage as campaign talking points, then learning about inconsistencies in her own stories about her motherhood is certainly relevant.

Is it as relevant as her policies? Her extremist stand on sex education? Her insistence on taking polar bears off the endangered species list so she could put down a pipeline? Her strident attempts to ban and censor books at her library? Her bizarre lack of experience (to the point that her campaign has hidden her from any kind of interview for two weeks?) No. Not at all, and I wish media would get focused on not only that, but the great McCain campaign in general.

Make no mistake, there are several other stories being reported that reveal all sorts of factual contradictions in the speeches and platforms of the the McCain campaign, it's just that these are the charges that the Republicans are making a stink about.

08 September 2008 11:59:32
DoggoD,
I agree with your post. However, don't give up! Look into Chuck Baldwin. He will be receiving my vote in November. I think you will appreciate his stance on getting us back to the Constitution.
Cheers,
Eleanor

08 September 2008 12:47:02
Daily Kos reported that Palin's baby was actually Bristol's within hours of her accepting the nomination. To counteract the lie, Palin had to come out and tell the world that her daughter was 5 mos. pregnant. Then, she gets slammed for "humiliating" her daughter, even though the liberals are the ones to attack the daughter. Andrea Mitchell was shocked that Sarah is a working mother, and other liberal media hacks said she should stay home with her kids. What did the republicans do to cause the media to attack Palin continuously with false accusations?

08 September 2008 16:56:49
I've been to Wasilla, Alaska, it is about the same size as Delphos. No honest person could ever compare being mayor of that little berg to Obama's multiple terms serving in the Illinois Legislature. Its perfectly ok to support whomever you wish, but reality should be a consideration in doing so. Palin has virtually no experience in government except the less than two years as Governor. In light of McCain's age and bouts with cancer is Palin ready to be President? First, we should ask, has she ever even been to Washington? Has she ever even been on the floor of the House of Representatives or the Senate? Come on folks, a little honesty goes a long way. Political discussion has more than enough nonsense in it already. No one in America honestly believes Palin is ready to be President. Get real.

08 September 2008 17:31:50
Rollo,
Abe Lincoln lost about a half dozen elections and had failed buisnesses, familly problems.......George Washington didn't even want to hold the highest office in the land....and on and on. Many have tried and failed, only to become great leaders. Many have had it thrust upon them. Others are born into it. Still others buy their way in. Who gives a rats hind end where she came from, or how she got where she is? she is the most REAL person to grace the political scene in decades...MORE POWER TO HER!
Cant you find something else to piss and moan about with Palin? If not, why not shut up and let the Fem-politico do her thing? I don't think any of your questions are deserving of an answer. I for one would welcome new blood in the White House. Its really the Joint Cheifs and cabinet that create the policy anyway. Do hear the slight sound of a fearful demoRat here?

08 September 2008 18:35:28
So Rollo, you saying being a Hack in the Chicago political machine, makes one eligible to be president, while living in burgs like Wasilla or Delphos, disqualifies everyone else?
The Global Warming alarmists say we are all in danger I don't see why polar bears
should be singled out for any special consideration..just kidding!
I agree Gov Palin's record and associations should be examined and I'm sure the mainstream media will be doing just that,and we will hear every little detail about it.
While I sure said mainstream media will be skipping over Obama's record and associations with people such as Tony Rezko, William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.
In case anyone thinks I'm jesting about the MSM ,check it out ,Keith Olberman
and Chris Matthews just got fired from their anchor jobs by MSNBC,apparently their on air open lust for Obama,finally shamed MSNBC in to canning them!

08 September 2008 19:46:50
It just confrims what I believe, the attacks on Palin about her experiance, her family and so on, are evideance that the DemocRATS are scared to death of this woman. If she was such a bad pick then you would think the left would be overjoyed with her. I won't be voting for McCain this November, but I will be voting for Palin!

Rollo, why don't you get real. She is a govenor of a state who used to be a mayor. Is it mandatory that a person must first vist Washington DC, go to the house and senate to be considered worthy of running for president, come on! How do you know she hasen't been there? I bet she has. You know what Rollo, I would rather she had not been to those places. I have been waiting for someone for a long time who does not seek the approvel or the lime light of the DC crowd. I hope she lives up to what I think she is. I love it that she and her dad wake up early in the morning to go moose hunting, there's just something sexy about a woman hunting big game.

08 September 2008 20:06:46
danimal, what's up with you?

08 September 2008 20:15:08
Sgt.Gideons Dad,
Well, is that an open question? If you could ask a more direct question, I may be able to answer it. I don't really believe that you want me to go into a triad about me. I am pretty sure that my CPU and this blog would freeze up if I wrote everything thats "up with me" The whole story will soon be out in paperback. 1st edition, volume 1 is expected on the shevles this millinium.

09 September 2008 06:21:56
Rollo,
Your comment is typical of the comments coming from the Obama camp. Honestly, I am a Ron Paul guy so I am still contemplating staying home because of McCain, but I do like Palin and what she stands for as a conservative both fiscal and social with the one exception being the Iraq War and I am still not sure where she stands on that issue other than her speech trumpeting McCain's view. Palin is far from a "typical" Republican and has quite the history of going in and booting out corrupt REPUBLICANS. That fact alone makes me a Sarah Palin fan, as she actually had the guts as a common ordinary small town mayor to go and run for Governor of Alaska against a corrupt Republican incumbent and pounded him both in the debates and in the primary. She then followed that up with a huge win over a former Democrat governor in the main election. Sarah Palin is a breath of fresh air and we can only hope she keeps that edge and starts to bring a party back in line that has lost its way.

Democrats should be ashamed of themselves because Sarah is the type of candidate they should have brought forward, someone from the outside of Washington who was going to clean house and bring an agenda to fix the big spending government. If they had brought this type of person this election would have been over long ago, instead it opened the door for McCain to pull off a move that may go down in political history for its impact and momentum.

10 September 2008 17:03:38
Sarah Palin seems like a great person.I'm sure she is! But ready to be President? Wow! What does that say about McCain's judgment or for that matter those who think she is? I have no criticism of her as a person. Think soberly here, a hockey Mom with lipstick qualifies her for VP? She has no experience on a national level, has parroted the same speech for two weeks, what is it that makes her so highly qualified? The last issue of Forbes magazine listed the 100 most influential women in America, Palin wasn't even on it. But overnight something mystically qualified her for VP? Sorry, I'm not buyin' that pair of shoes.

10 September 2008 22:18:25
Whether Palin, is fit to be VP or not, looks that is is going to happen anyway
B.Hussein, is scared and Joe Biden, publicly stated tonight that Hillary would
have been a better pick and a better VP. The dems know they have bought a
pig with lipstick in a poke. I would not be surprised if Biden, disqualifies himself
and Hillary, comes on board. Obama will need her, he can't beat Palin, by himself.
She's one of the blue collar middle class, not an elitist like Obama.

10 September 2008 23:09:26
COMMON ROLLO!!!
you ruin my favorite CANDY name, then claim PALIN has no RIGHT to be they VP?
Let me think a minute here. Is she a USA citizen? AHAAAA...QUALIFIED! simple really.

11 September 2008 05:09:43
McCain's hair trigger temper and Palin's uncompromisingly religious view of the world as either good or evil make an explosive combination. Get ready for action! Defense stocks are already on a tear!

11 September 2008 15:16:56
Rollo,
How do you know she has an uncompromisingly religious view?

11 September 2008 16:15:29
Palin claims to be an ordinary Born Again Christian. Nothing wrong with that. I pray for our country, too.

11 September 2008 19:11:53
From ABC interview with Charlie Gibson. (Transcript)

Sarah Palin on God:

GIBSON: You said recently, in your old church, "Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God." Are we fighting a holy war?

PALIN: You know, I don't know if that was my exact quote.

GIBSON: Exact words.

PALIN: But the reference there is a repeat of Abraham Lincoln's words when he said -- first, he suggested never presume to know what God's will is, and I would never presume to know God's will or to speak God's words.

But what Abraham Lincoln had said, and that's a repeat in my comments, was let us not pray that God is on our side in a war or any other time, but let us pray that we are on God's side.

That's what that comment was all about, Charlie.

11 September 2008 19:30:01
Rollo,
Please elaborate further what you mean by "Get ready for action! Defense stocks are already on a tear! ". I don't want to make assumptions but sounds very Nazi like.
Eleanor

12 September 2008 00:15:00
Rollo,
Obviously your choice is Obama... who the other day said he was qualified because he has ran a Presidential campaign for 18 months.... Palin has some limitations on the experience side but she is more experienced than Obama at actually running a government and she is only running for VP. I would be more than comfortable in her ability to boot out all the politicians in Washington that are in the pockets of lobbiests. She has a ton of experience in that task and was successful.

I am a Ron Paul guy and I am tired of the parties grip on our political system so I think I am going to follow Ron Paul's suggestion and vote 3rd party to make a point but if Palin is put at the front of a ticket in the near future, I think she could win my vote with the positives she would bring to the office.

12 September 2008 00:37:27
No one doubts that Palin is a very nice person. But is that why we vote for a VP? Republicans are so proud of Sarah, their new expert on Russia. They say she knows foreign policy because she lives next door to Russia. Palin recently said we might have to defend the country of Georgia if the Russians invaded it "again". News flash, Sarah!!! The Russians haven't left!
If living near Russia makes Palin a foreign policy expert does living near the North Pole make her an expert on Santa? C'mon Sarah, pick up a newspaper, you shouldn't need a National Security briefing to know the Russians are still in Georgia!

12 September 2008 10:04:47
Rollo pollo,
The Russian Army has withdrawn, for all intnet and purpose, to the two break away regions that do not want to belong to Georgia. And the truth is, i don't blame them one iota. If it were us, the USA, you know we would not just set idley by and not protect our the land right next to our boarders. Granada comes to mind. What Sarah was talking about was another full scale invasion deep into the heart of Georgia. And you know that. You could not know as much as you do without reading and watching the news, so taking her words out of context sways no one. We Know that you know....yadda yadda. But nice try.
Sarah is everyones Mother, sister, neighbor, friend and lover. She is as close to the plain 'ol girl next door as we have ever seen in a Presidential election. Many people, and I do mean MANY are going to be takin in by that and I for one and glad to see her. Nothing less than brilliant for the Republicans. Qualified? Over 35 years old and a USA citizen. Thats all it takes Rollo. She makes HO-Hillary look like the old news that she is, both personaly and politicaly. Live with it my friend. For I believe you will have to, for at least 4 years anyway. And if things pan out, 8 more after that. This is the 1st woman I have ever considered for the VP or even the top sopt on the ticket. My research in not complete, but the more I see and read, the more I like her. She knows how to admit when she is wrong, she admits whena dn why her position has changed on a few issues, so hides nothing, she loves the USA and the Constitution, and she is stong on Morlality, and sacrifice. What more could we ask for?

12 September 2008 15:20:04
Whether you are a liberal female or a conservative female, if you are a mother, reflecting on your own life, ummmm, it's an eye brow raiser, it is an extreme, it is kinda difficult to reconcile with your own experiences. I'm a well educated woman, but I didn't leave the house for the first 6 weeks with my baby, as is recommended for both the babie's and the mother's health. It is an important time for bonding.
Now assuming that the father is spending the most time with the baby while the mother is working, the baby is likely to form a secure attachment to the father (depending on how he is with the baby) but is likely to have an insecure attachment with the mother (primarily because the mother is not reliably there when the child attempts to draw her attention for comforting).

In a study by Main & Weston (1981) they looked the social responsiveness and emotional conflict levels of babies in four conditions: 1/ securely attached to both parents, 2/ secure with mother/insecure with father, 3/ insecure with mother/secure with father, 4/ insecure with both.

Now so far as I would understand things I would figure Trig is on track to fall into the third group, potentially also the forth. So what does that mean for Trig? The 3rd and 4th groups have the lowest levels of social responsiveness and highest levels of emotional conflict – the 4th of course being worse.

So all of this considered, to me, the idea of someone taking up a demanding role like 2IC to the leader of the free world seems an astounding choice when you have a 4 month old baby with Downs Syndrome. Now it is all well and fine to have a career, but if you chose to have a family, there are certain things that you just do for an infant. You know, it is noble and honorable to, when you unexpectedly fall pregnant and find out the child will have special needs, to decide to have the child – but that only comes to full fruition if you follow through adequately on your commitments to that child after they are born.

Now you might make a distinction between how working mothers and stay at home mothers might view Palin’s decisions with regards to returning to work, but I would wager that the vast majority of working mothers never returned to work so quickly and would never have countenanced doing so and would be in large part in consensus with stay at home mums on the decisions that Palin made. I wonder how many women, when they come to pull the lever in November, will be pulling it for Trig and his wellbeing? Do you support using your own baby as a political prop?

It is also reported that Sarah Palin supports abstinence only sex education. A recent national study showed that abstinence only sex education, which has been promoted by the Bush administration, is not working, while costing us $176 million per year. If Sarah Palin cannot even get her own daughter to comply with the lessons of abstinence only, then how does she expect the rest of the teens in America to do so?

Obviously, I don’t know Sarah Palin, but I assume like most parents that she wants the best for her children. Bristol’s decision to progress with her pregnancy is her business, but how can her mother in good faith continue to promote a policy that clearly is failing America’s children? European countries have better adolescent sexuality outcomes with lower teen pregnancy rates and fewer incidences of disease as their youth are exposed to more comprehensive sex education. Why can’t we learn from our European allies and take a more realistic approach to sex education?

Also it should be noted that it takes a very selfish mother to put her pregnant teenage daughter in the media spotlight, subjecting her to the ridicule for many years to come, making Bristol another Jamie Lynn.

Funny how Obama was ridiculed as a celebrity by the Republican party and now they have their own celebrity (Sarah Palin).

13 September 2008 10:30:28
Citie, service to one's counrty outwheighs all other considerations. Period. Ask those still living that served. No matter what the service, Military or Goevernment, whatever, it has to come 1st for us to remain free and strong.

13 September 2008 10:38:14
Cutie,
I have a feeling you would have a different view of Palin if she were a democrat. Aren't you liberal women been telling us all for years that women can have a career, family, and do anything a man can. Nobody ever asks a man if he should take a job because he has kids. Palin does not support abstinence only sex education, that has been debunked. You know what Cutie, I don't believe you are real, not real in the since that this is your post. It sounds like the talking points that BO and his camp put out and have people go to blogs and post their mis-information and pass it off like it is so many people out there who feel Palin is bad. Cutie do you know where Lima, Ohio is at.

13 September 2008 12:32:08
How many women get pregnant by abstaining? And, how many females are getting pregnant with all the modern marvels available to prevent pregnancy? I know the costs associated with pregnancies to girls who aren't equipped to raise babies and the costs of abortions. And, I know how they can be eliminated; with the swift movement of a pen... Take away government subsidies, and you can bet your paycheck that pregnancies will go down, way down.

13 September 2008 12:45:56
Cutie,
would that same study apply to a Hillary Clinton,if she had say triplets instead if a Down's Syndrome baby.

The remake of 90210 TV series opened up in primetime with a teenage oral sex scene
was that a hollywood public message on comprehensive sex education.

danimal,
You crazy zealot..why don't you just substitute Allah for country and strap on a suicide vest.
sorry man,I can't help it, you just keep walking into it..
by the way you might want to dash over to the other thread and answer my question
it's been 24 hrs or you can continue to flop around like a fish on a hook.

13 September 2008 18:21:35
Sgt Dad,
Sorry if God and country offends you. They are the backbone of this nation. That's how the USA was founded, and that's what keeps it strong. I fail to see how Palin running for VP equates to commiting suicide. I also fail to see how my tenet of God and country first equates to me somehow being a suicide bomber, or crazy, or a zealot. That you have resorted to insults only reinforces the fact that you have nothing to say on an intellectual level. But thats ok. Thats what I expect from you.
Now, what other thread are you refering to? I must have missed it. Please tell me where to look, as you have asked so many stupid questions thats it's hard to tell which one you are talking about.

14 September 2008 08:03:49
don't wave the flag at me danimal, it wasn't an insult,it was a joke,you are just to easy.

there is no such thing as a stupid question, just the people who can't or refuse
to answer them
on the baggy pants thread, your bizarre interpretation of the constitution and logic
have got you twisted up like a pretzel, thats the thread I mean mr short term memory..

14 September 2008 10:20:57
Sgt dad,
I will wave my flag with pride anytime I wish to, you can bank on that. My interpretation of the constitution? Its all there in plain English Sgt. I posted amendments 4-5- and 6. No interpritation is needed. You must have a blockage between your eyes and your brain or something. I will check wikipedia and see what the name for that is and get back to you. I am sure they have it, because it seems to be affecting a lot of liberals now days. But we cannot hold you responsible if infact it is a diease.

14 September 2008 10:51:26



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