danimal wrote:
This question needs an answer and it needs it quick. For me it seems so simple.
1] get the recording of grandma.
2] get the certificate from Hawaii
3] get the certificate/paper work from Kenya
4] get the duel citizen paper work from Indonesia
5] go to the Supreme Court and sort it out
Like you said Tom, the Constitution demands nothing less.
Now do you really think the courts orthe demolicans or the repulicrats give a rats patoot about the constitution? They have never let it stand in their way before.
I mean after all, the law is tucked away in obscurity clear back in clause 4 of section 1 in article 2. No way the framers thought we would even bother to read that clause, let alone demand it was adheared to. How silly of us all.
Constitution smonstitution..we don't need no stinking contitutiton. Just get elected to the house or senate and see how rapidly you'r thinking will change. And please do try to remember, this is all for you'r good, Tom. OMG demanding congress follow the law, whatever are you thinking? ...traa laa la, high in the sky apple pieeeeiii hopes...something something...something else...traa laa la de dumm....DUMB!
(ps) I used the word 'patoot' because Lederman to watch my language.
1] get the recording of grandma.
2] get the certificate from Hawaii
3] get the certificate/paper work from Kenya
4] get the duel citizen paper work from Indonesia
5] go to the Supreme Court and sort it out
Like you said Tom, the Constitution demands nothing less.
Now do you really think the courts orthe demolicans or the repulicrats give a rats patoot about the constitution? They have never let it stand in their way before.
I mean after all, the law is tucked away in obscurity clear back in clause 4 of section 1 in article 2. No way the framers thought we would even bother to read that clause, let alone demand it was adheared to. How silly of us all.
Constitution smonstitution..we don't need no stinking contitutiton. Just get elected to the house or senate and see how rapidly you'r thinking will change. And please do try to remember, this is all for you'r good, Tom. OMG demanding congress follow the law, whatever are you thinking? ...traa laa la, high in the sky apple pieeeeiii hopes...something something...something else...traa laa la de dumm....DUMB!
(ps) I used the word 'patoot' because Lederman to watch my language.
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danimal wrote:
And speaking of language.....
As an historian, you need to know this
This is not meant to be crude. It is strictly for your edification and enjoyment.
Before the Battle of Agincourt in 1415, the French, anticipating victory over the English, proposed to cut off the middle finger of all captured English soldiers. Without the middle finger, it would be impossible to draw the renowned English longbow and therefore be incapable of fighting in the future.
This famous weapon was made of the native English Yew tree, and the act of drawing the longbow was known as "plucking the yew." Much to the bewilderment of the French, the English won a major upset and began mocking the French by waving their middle fingers at the defeated French,saying, "See, we can still pluck yew! PLUCK YEW!"
Over the years, some 'folk etymologies' have grown up around this symbolic gesture. Since 'pluck yew' is rather difficult to say (like "pleasant mother pheasant plucker", which is who you had to go to for the feathers used on the arrows for the longbow), the difficult consonant cluster at the beginning has gradually changed to a labiodental fricative 'F', and thus the words often used in conjunction with the one-finger-salute are mistakenly thought to have something to do with an intimate encounter.
It is also because of the pheasant feathers on the arrows that the symbolic gesture is known as "giving the bird
As an historian, you need to know this
This is not meant to be crude. It is strictly for your edification and enjoyment.
Before the Battle of Agincourt in 1415, the French, anticipating victory over the English, proposed to cut off the middle finger of all captured English soldiers. Without the middle finger, it would be impossible to draw the renowned English longbow and therefore be incapable of fighting in the future.
This famous weapon was made of the native English Yew tree, and the act of drawing the longbow was known as "plucking the yew." Much to the bewilderment of the French, the English won a major upset and began mocking the French by waving their middle fingers at the defeated French,saying, "See, we can still pluck yew! PLUCK YEW!"
Over the years, some 'folk etymologies' have grown up around this symbolic gesture. Since 'pluck yew' is rather difficult to say (like "pleasant mother pheasant plucker", which is who you had to go to for the feathers used on the arrows for the longbow), the difficult consonant cluster at the beginning has gradually changed to a labiodental fricative 'F', and thus the words often used in conjunction with the one-finger-salute are mistakenly thought to have something to do with an intimate encounter.
It is also because of the pheasant feathers on the arrows that the symbolic gesture is known as "giving the bird
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04 January 2009 08:04:54
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HappyG wrote:
It looks like Free Republic enjoyed your article, Tom. They posted it this morning:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2158412/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2158412/posts
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04 January 2009 08:55:42
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HappyG wrote:
Obama could end all the speculation by just showing his birth certificate. So far, he has shown nothing that could make him eligible. The one birth certificate that was presented at factcheck.org was proved to be fake. Why?
"1. Occidental College records -- Not released 2. Columbia College records -- Not released 3. Columbia Thesis paper -- "Not available" 4. Harvard College records -- Not released 5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released 6. Medical records -- Not released 7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- Not available 8. His Illinois State Senate records -- Not available 9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released 10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released"
"1. Occidental College records -- Not released 2. Columbia College records -- Not released 3. Columbia Thesis paper -- "Not available" 4. Harvard College records -- Not released 5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released 6. Medical records -- Not released 7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- Not available 8. His Illinois State Senate records -- Not available 9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released 10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released"
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04 January 2009 08:59:36
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drdoom wrote:
Why should Obama submit anything to prove he was eligible to run for President. The MSM is in the tank for him and he bamboozeled a majority of the sheep in the USA to vote for him, as they can not think for themselves.
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04 January 2009 09:16:46
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Angela wrote:
Tom,
thanks for reporting the news..
For the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Be at http://www.plainsradio.com/chat1.html Monday Jan 5, 2009 at 6pm central. Log in to chat and turn on the sound....Lawyers, pastors, etc will be on there as guests.
Ed Hale moderator of plains has posted the actual divorce decree of Stanley Ann D. Obama v. Obama Sr. which proves Obama is a Brit by birth and Ed says he has come across the actual BC that says born in Kenya..however this is speculation at this time. Be at plains..be there or be square.
thanks for reporting the news..
For the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Be at http://www.plainsradio.com/chat1.html Monday Jan 5, 2009 at 6pm central. Log in to chat and turn on the sound....Lawyers, pastors, etc will be on there as guests.
Ed Hale moderator of plains has posted the actual divorce decree of Stanley Ann D. Obama v. Obama Sr. which proves Obama is a Brit by birth and Ed says he has come across the actual BC that says born in Kenya..however this is speculation at this time. Be at plains..be there or be square.
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04 January 2009 13:57:35
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HappyG wrote:
I'm familiar with Ed Hale, and what he has allegedly obtained. What is really disgusting is that Obama has never been vetted to be a Senator, nor a president. Added to that is that we have a corrupt political system. Can we expect the powers that be, unseat an illegal alien, or in the least, a person not qualified by the Constitution to be president, especially if the person happens to be black? Both sides of the aisle are afraid of blacks, and even more-so, afraid of being called racists, so Obama will get a pass, as well as setting a precedent for anyone who decides he wants to be president. If Castro weren't so old, by the "new" standards, he could decide to run and get the liberal votes.
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04 January 2009 14:35:38
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j.b. wrote:
THANK YOU, MR. Lucente. You have written a very concise article! So many who have attempted this topic get something wrong and from my perspective, you are spot on. Thank you so much!
Be prepared for mucho traffic here as we (non believers) are a plenty and we like to spread the word. God Bless you and yours. Thank yyou for your service to our Country, too. *muah*
Be prepared for mucho traffic here as we (non believers) are a plenty and we like to spread the word. God Bless you and yours. Thank yyou for your service to our Country, too. *muah*
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04 January 2009 17:19:16
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Peg N wrote:
Tom, I think the American people have every right to know the truth about Obama,s birthplace! If he is not an American citizen, he has no right to hold the office of President of our country. Please continue to do all you can to pursue this and bring out the truth.
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04 January 2009 19:07:57
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RB wrote:
This lawsuit has been looked at and thrown out of court on lack of merit. I am wondering how can you get this stuff published but never once look at the facts? You don't do the leg-work for your columns and yet you continue to spew out this kind of garbage and yet again blame the lack of responsible reporting on the mainstream media. You are doing exactly what the mainstream media have been doing for the last eight years.
Why not focus on the real issues such as rising crime, unemployment, the media's lack of responsibility in reporting the facts, Bush's crimes against humanity, and the lack of common sense that seems to plague people these day? Stick to the issues on hand, and I think your readers will be better for it.
After reading your columns in the last year, I just have to wonder just what exactly are you mad at? You used to have valid reasons for your rants, but not anymore.
Why not focus on the real issues such as rising crime, unemployment, the media's lack of responsibility in reporting the facts, Bush's crimes against humanity, and the lack of common sense that seems to plague people these day? Stick to the issues on hand, and I think your readers will be better for it.
After reading your columns in the last year, I just have to wonder just what exactly are you mad at? You used to have valid reasons for your rants, but not anymore.
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05 January 2009 08:23:00
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SgtGideonsDad wrote:
I wish someone would name some of Bush's crimes
against humanity..
against humanity..
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05 January 2009 08:46:41
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douglasmoneer wrote:
As americans we have a right to know what are goverment officials are up to and where they are they are born. But the real truth is that America and its governing officails and presidents have steered away from God and His Righteonus. For all you history buffs read the Bible and see what happend to the countries and Kings that Forgot about God and His Laws. The fact is America will fall because we threw God and His law out of our Schools, Goverment, and Courts. If the people of America do not turn back to God and seek his ways this will happen it is only a matter of time. You can not turn away from God and His laws and Conmandments and be sussecfull. This is Historicail, Fact , and the Truth wether you agree with me or not there is no way around that.
This Country was founded on God and Christian values. This makes me sick that we have idot people that supposenly know how to interpit what the constitution realy says and means. The constitution was plain and clear cut of what it means and says when it was drafted and implemented into congress. Every person that signed that Great Historicial Document of of Country was God fearing Men and relie on His word for wisdom ,faith strength,and guidensess. King Solmon the wisest man the lived besides Jesus Christ wrote that that stupid people are given postion of athortiy in Ecclesiastes. That is makes me think if stupid people aregiven position of athority then huch more stupid are the people that put or give these stupid people postion of athority. Wise men seek God and his rightenouse and wisdom and lean not on their owen understanding but Gods.These men make great leaders and will be properouse in running there country and there homes.
This Country was founded on God and Christian values. This makes me sick that we have idot people that supposenly know how to interpit what the constitution realy says and means. The constitution was plain and clear cut of what it means and says when it was drafted and implemented into congress. Every person that signed that Great Historicial Document of of Country was God fearing Men and relie on His word for wisdom ,faith strength,and guidensess. King Solmon the wisest man the lived besides Jesus Christ wrote that that stupid people are given postion of athortiy in Ecclesiastes. That is makes me think if stupid people aregiven position of athority then huch more stupid are the people that put or give these stupid people postion of athority. Wise men seek God and his rightenouse and wisdom and lean not on their owen understanding but Gods.These men make great leaders and will be properouse in running there country and there homes.
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05 January 2009 11:10:51
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danimal wrote:
@RB
As usaual, a liberal as yourself has not done his/her own homework/legwork. There are still cases in the courts pertaining to this very issue. The supreme court turned one case away...it was a 5-4 vote if memeory serves me. I suspect the reason it was turned away was because it had not made it through the lower courts yet...thus there was no reason for the High court to rule on it yet.
That this case has been 'looked at and thrown out' as you say is a total falsehood. Could be that a liberal or activist judge tossed it...but it is by no means settled, and is in fact still on many dockets around the country.
Oh and RB, I am just a grease monkey and even I understand the fact that Tom, as an editorialist, can print his opinion, just the same as you can with a letter to the editor. They will print it if you send it.
I am taking the liberty of reprinting a bit from Happy G, just in case you didn't read all of the posts here. When a person becomes a public figure such as a president, they have an obligation to be forthcomming with the kinds of things the Obama camp is avoiding..(hiding?)....from Happy G.....
"1. Occidental College records -- Not released 2. Columbia College records -- Not released 3. Columbia Thesis paper -- "Not available" 4. Harvard College records -- Not released 5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released 6. Medical records -- Not released 7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- Not available 8. His Illinois State Senate records -- Not available 9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released 10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released"
Do you have an answer for all of these unanswered requests? Only someone with something to hide would avoid publishing these things.
And I with SgtDAD on this also....please list Bush's crimes against humanity. And be candid...list them axactly as YOU feel about them. Remember, we can all google info, so cut and paiste will not get you by at this point. You may begin you'r list now. We are waiting.
As usaual, a liberal as yourself has not done his/her own homework/legwork. There are still cases in the courts pertaining to this very issue. The supreme court turned one case away...it was a 5-4 vote if memeory serves me. I suspect the reason it was turned away was because it had not made it through the lower courts yet...thus there was no reason for the High court to rule on it yet.
That this case has been 'looked at and thrown out' as you say is a total falsehood. Could be that a liberal or activist judge tossed it...but it is by no means settled, and is in fact still on many dockets around the country.
Oh and RB, I am just a grease monkey and even I understand the fact that Tom, as an editorialist, can print his opinion, just the same as you can with a letter to the editor. They will print it if you send it.
I am taking the liberty of reprinting a bit from Happy G, just in case you didn't read all of the posts here. When a person becomes a public figure such as a president, they have an obligation to be forthcomming with the kinds of things the Obama camp is avoiding..(hiding?)....from Happy G.....
"1. Occidental College records -- Not released 2. Columbia College records -- Not released 3. Columbia Thesis paper -- "Not available" 4. Harvard College records -- Not released 5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released 6. Medical records -- Not released 7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- Not available 8. His Illinois State Senate records -- Not available 9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released 10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released"
Do you have an answer for all of these unanswered requests? Only someone with something to hide would avoid publishing these things.
And I with SgtDAD on this also....please list Bush's crimes against humanity. And be candid...list them axactly as YOU feel about them. Remember, we can all google info, so cut and paiste will not get you by at this point. You may begin you'r list now. We are waiting.
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05 January 2009 11:40:43
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AverageGuy wrote:
It's absolutely amazing to me that providing your birth certificate isn't already just part of the process of running for President. Being a natural-born citizen is a constitutional qualification for that position, so why are we not checking this on everyone?
Kind of like when the whole border fence debate came up. I was like, "You mean there's not ALREADY a fence? WHY?!"
Kind of like when the whole border fence debate came up. I was like, "You mean there's not ALREADY a fence? WHY?!"
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05 January 2009 18:30:48
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danimal wrote:
AverageGuy,
I think of it much the same way as I do at work. The bosses never get sent for random drug/alcohal testing. I guess folks just think "important people" are above reproach.
Then of course you have the "elite mentality", as well as other 'groups' that just plain don't think the law applys to them.
Funny thing....I was like that once. I got a job that required I have a valid drivers licence, (about 30 yeras ago)...and I didn't have one. They saw me drive up, I was dressed nice, and said yes sir/no sir a lot. I got the job and drove a big box truck for two years. They never did know any better. Ha ha ha...I think everyone should be rquired to drive illegaly for a year...because it makes you a SAFER driver!!!! I never got a ticket untill I went and got the damn thing!!!
I think of it much the same way as I do at work. The bosses never get sent for random drug/alcohal testing. I guess folks just think "important people" are above reproach.
Then of course you have the "elite mentality", as well as other 'groups' that just plain don't think the law applys to them.
Funny thing....I was like that once. I got a job that required I have a valid drivers licence, (about 30 yeras ago)...and I didn't have one. They saw me drive up, I was dressed nice, and said yes sir/no sir a lot. I got the job and drove a big box truck for two years. They never did know any better. Ha ha ha...I think everyone should be rquired to drive illegaly for a year...because it makes you a SAFER driver!!!! I never got a ticket untill I went and got the damn thing!!!
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05 January 2009 18:49:48
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AverageGuy wrote:
A long time ago my license was suspended for a year. You're right, I was very safe. A week after I got it back, I got a speeding ticket. 
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05 January 2009 19:40:52
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danimal wrote:
Hey, I didn't BB code that color...whats up?
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06 January 2009 03:15:01
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Mike wrote:
I agree that those records should be available. What is he trying to hide? I haven't seen anything in the conservative media about it. It is the same as trying to get Bush to find anyone to remember that they actually flew or was at the same base as the future president of the United States. No-one stepped forward on that? Crimes by Bush? None. Responsibility is always spread broadly around to the 'administration'. Illegal wiretapping. Rounding people up and sticking them in prison reminiscent of the japanese americans in the world war. Extraordinary rendition. Promoting a war against a country that had 'terrorist-like' links that has killed how many civilians and how many of our kids? Making the injured a budget cutting mechanism instead of a priority. Keeping volunteers involuntarily through additional rotations overseas. Those are some of his misdeeds against people. The signing statements, twisting the laws to his own use and doing things just because nobody told him he couldn't feed in there somewhere.
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06 January 2009 14:02:19
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danimal wrote:
Mike...and therein lies the rub
misdeeds against people....well put. Now do you equate those into crimes against humanity? If so, where are the charges? Where are the lawyers?
misdeeds against people....well put. Now do you equate those into crimes against humanity? If so, where are the charges? Where are the lawyers?
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06 January 2009 14:18:29
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Pete wrote:
I am beginning to think the Dems never though Barry had a chance. They thought Hillary was their man and then Obama Soetoro feaver struck. Now they are stuck with someone who is not elidgable for the seat of the President of the U.S.A.
The fact that if you mention this tiopic to anyone that is behind Obama and you get slammed to the wall with insults tells me a few things.
The fact the Obama has the gall to basically ignore the constitution, ignore the wishes of the American people, even those who voted for him that wish to know, and not to mention the clouded history he has already had in his life shows me that this man is not right for the job.
He should be a man and stand up and say here is my Birth Certificate. Take it for what it is and do the right thing.
This game he is playing is helping divide our country. I see it happening everyday. I am guilty of letting it happen in my life.
Why does he not do the right thing? Can he be trusted to do the right thing in the future? Has he really done the right thing let alone anything in the past?
The fact that if you mention this tiopic to anyone that is behind Obama and you get slammed to the wall with insults tells me a few things.
The fact the Obama has the gall to basically ignore the constitution, ignore the wishes of the American people, even those who voted for him that wish to know, and not to mention the clouded history he has already had in his life shows me that this man is not right for the job.
He should be a man and stand up and say here is my Birth Certificate. Take it for what it is and do the right thing.
This game he is playing is helping divide our country. I see it happening everyday. I am guilty of letting it happen in my life.
Why does he not do the right thing? Can he be trusted to do the right thing in the future? Has he really done the right thing let alone anything in the past?
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06 January 2009 19:10:00
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Mike wrote:
Type in 'survivorsrightsinternational.org crimes against humanity define'. Number six would qualify extraordinary rendition, waterboarding and ignoring the Geneva convention. Laws have been passed by him to make him immune from prosecution. There are signing statements and national security letters. There was a case against the justice department which would have required it to present documentation against itself. It was against the law for them to refuse but they would have to be the one to prosecute themselves. So no charges against them. How about number nine. Recall that governments were complaining that the US was snatching people off their streets and sending them off for 'enhanced' interogations by other countries. We weren't doing it until we couldn't deny it and then it was only because it was a matter of national security. Not sure why Canada wanted us to apologize for sending an innocent Canadian to Syria for interogation. No permanent damage from the back rubs he got with a shredded cable and his wife and two children are happy to have him back. What is more systematic than having these abuses a matter of condoned policy?
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07 January 2009 01:08:09
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Ken Dunbar wrote:
Very nice article!
For a "part 2".. here is the very definition of a natural born citizen.
http://thelibertypole.ning.com/forum/topics/the-definition-of-natural-born
I discuss this issue on every show of mine. Wednesdays 7pm East-9pm-Est on Plains Radio Network http://www.plainsradio.com
Forget the birth certificate. Look at the definition of natural born citizen. Obama is NOT a nbc, and therefore is NOT eligible for the Presidency, per the US Constitution.
For a "part 2".. here is the very definition of a natural born citizen.
http://thelibertypole.ning.com/forum/topics/the-definition-of-natural-born
I discuss this issue on every show of mine. Wednesdays 7pm East-9pm-Est on Plains Radio Network http://www.plainsradio.com
Forget the birth certificate. Look at the definition of natural born citizen. Obama is NOT a nbc, and therefore is NOT eligible for the Presidency, per the US Constitution.
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07 January 2009 02:38:14
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KC4TEX wrote:
Everyone should wonder why he would hire 3 law firms and spend over $800,000. if he wasn't hiding something big. We have some big problems right now and I am afraid he may be one of the worse. You can find nothing in his past that wont make your hair stand on end. He wants to take or guns and have a civilian military and that is just for starters. I believe a big part of his voters or now afraid they did the wrong thing.
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07 January 2009 02:57:39
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ScreaminEagle wrote:
THANK YOU for YOUR article/blog ~ AMERICA needs YOUR help ~ please contact me ~ also look at my profile here
ALL CONCERNED GOD LOVING PATRIOTS of this GREAT NATION ~ LAND of the FREE ~ HOME of the BRAVE ~ PLEASE go to http://www.operationscreamineagle.ning.com ( no G on screamin )
and read this...
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Phil 4:13
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***HELP AMERICA HEAR HER EAGLE SCREAM***
~~ GOD BLESS (NOT D@MN) AMERICA ~ OUR TROOPS ~ YOU & YOURS ~~
ALL CONCERNED GOD LOVING PATRIOTS of this GREAT NATION ~ LAND of the FREE ~ HOME of the BRAVE ~ PLEASE go to http://www.operationscreamineagle.ning.com ( no G on screamin )
and read this...
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07 January 2009 03:29:14
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danimal wrote:
Mike,
nice liberal website you have there. Like so many others...full of half truths and outright lies.
nice liberal website you have there. Like so many others...full of half truths and outright lies.
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07 January 2009 03:46:35
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SgtGideonsDad wrote:
I really don't why this is such a big issue these days?
Obama goes to Europe to campaign for President of
the USA while anouncing he's a citizen of the world.
On his election night nearly the entire planet goes
orgasmic and you guys think a little minor thing like
a constitutional requirement that he be born here, is
going to make much of difference...whatever!
Obama goes to Europe to campaign for President of
the USA while anouncing he's a citizen of the world.
On his election night nearly the entire planet goes
orgasmic and you guys think a little minor thing like
a constitutional requirement that he be born here, is
going to make much of difference...whatever!
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07 January 2009 09:19:12
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Mike wrote:
I leave it to you to find me a definition of 'crimes against humanity' from anywhere you like. I think what has been done will fit the definition. Condone or ignore everything that has happened and attribute it to the liberals as bad press. What I was relating was not from any website. It is what has been on Foxnews and Newsmax. Not exactly liberal sources. What source do you trust for your news and information?
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07 January 2009 09:26:59
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RB wrote:
The Lima News, The Toledo Blade, Defiance Crescent News or National Enquirer? They're "supposedly" liberal newspapers. Is that where all of you get your news from? Sorry, but here is another drive-by posting. Busy raising smart and LIBERAL kids. 
I thought I had conservative values like raising a family (you know, family values) until media started calling the "looking out after your neighbors" as the Bible suggested, a liberal thing to do. So yep. I must be a liberal because at least I am listening to what Jesus said ...
I thought I had conservative values like raising a family (you know, family values) until media started calling the "looking out after your neighbors" as the Bible suggested, a liberal thing to do. So yep. I must be a liberal because at least I am listening to what Jesus said ...
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07 January 2009 10:09:24
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SgtGideonsDad wrote:
RB,
Since your raising your family with a family values and "love thy neighbors" attitude, and those are christian virtues, you must be homeschooling...good for you!
Since your raising your family with a family values and "love thy neighbors" attitude, and those are christian virtues, you must be homeschooling...good for you!
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07 January 2009 12:29:42
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Scant wrote:
As much as I think this issue should be investegated about BO, it's a dead issue. Nobody gives a rats rear end, if it didn't matter in the election, it is for sure not going anywhere now, people just don't care if he is natural born or not. If he was found not to be American born, I wouldn't be suprised to see a push to change the constitution to make him eligible.
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07 January 2009 17:58:28
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HappyG wrote:
I agree, Scant, but I also believe we have the right to know the truth. As president, he works for us. If he is proven to be ineligible, and is allowed to continue as president, it will hurt the United States at home, and abroad. It will be a travesty for the Consitution, and will open it up to other changes.
Also, if it is shown that Obama is not eligible, then he knowingly committed perjury and fraud, and should be thrown in prison. He knows if he's legit or not. I know there will be rage and the blacks will be out in force, ripping cities apart, but this time, if it should go that far, people will fight back, and I can see nothing but unrest and violence. Even so, the Constitution is vital, and should be protected, no matter what the naysayers attempt.
Also, if it is shown that Obama is not eligible, then he knowingly committed perjury and fraud, and should be thrown in prison. He knows if he's legit or not. I know there will be rage and the blacks will be out in force, ripping cities apart, but this time, if it should go that far, people will fight back, and I can see nothing but unrest and violence. Even so, the Constitution is vital, and should be protected, no matter what the naysayers attempt.
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07 January 2009 18:14:47
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Lucente wrote:
Now, Happy, we all know perjury laws don't apply to presidents anymore ...
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07 January 2009 18:21:28
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HappyG wrote:
Yeah, I figured that one out all by myself, Tom. Our country is a mess, and the liberals are making it worse, with the blessings of RINOs. Well, not blessings, but they sure aren't doing anything to stop the destruction. The republican party can't blame the liberals for a damn thing if they don't lift a finger to stop them.
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07 January 2009 18:55:42
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danimal wrote:
Watch the video on this web page. Best explination yet about this whole mess.
Even B. obama himself has said what a natural born citizen is...and he dones not not fill the bill. Check it out.
http://www.plainsradio.com/
Even B. obama himself has said what a natural born citizen is...and he dones not not fill the bill. Check it out.
http://www.plainsradio.com/
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07 January 2009 19:07:57
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HappyG wrote:
Thanks, danimal. I've seen so many videos proving his ineligibility, but the MSM seems to have missed them.
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07 January 2009 19:44:44
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Susan wrote:
Ben, I believe that could be considered a death threat.
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08 January 2009 17:15:56
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Dunedweller wrote:
What absolute utter nonsense. He WON get over it.
I suppose he was able to also go back in time to fake the birth announcement in the local paper, which listed the name of the local hospital, and provided the local address of the family as well. The announcement was found in an old archived paper by some of the very people who tried to bring this nonsense up in the first place.
If I'm also not mistaken, a VALID birth certificate is required to obtain a U.S. passport.
He has a passport, so it may follow logically he has provided a valid birth certificate to get it.
This is pathetic journalistic sensationalism in its lowest form.
I suppose he was able to also go back in time to fake the birth announcement in the local paper, which listed the name of the local hospital, and provided the local address of the family as well. The announcement was found in an old archived paper by some of the very people who tried to bring this nonsense up in the first place.
If I'm also not mistaken, a VALID birth certificate is required to obtain a U.S. passport.
He has a passport, so it may follow logically he has provided a valid birth certificate to get it.
This is pathetic journalistic sensationalism in its lowest form.
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08 January 2009 19:53:21
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Susan wrote:
Dune, if it's that simple and so obvious....then why not just give up the long form birth certificate? Shouldn't be any big deal for him now should it?
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08 January 2009 20:30:01
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Susan wrote:
Dune, if it's that simple and so obvious....then why not just give up the long form birth certificate? Shouldn't be any big deal for him now should it?
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08 January 2009 20:30:01
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danimal wrote:
Dunedweller,
Lets just say he was born in Hawaii. Fine. (although his grandmother is on video saying he was born in Kenya) That makes him a US citizen, sure enough.
Now, as the constitution clearly states, there are requirements to being born a citizen, and yet a differant set of requirments to being a NATUARAL BORN CITIZEN. The only people qualified to the office of the US Pres. are "natural born citizens"
A natural born citizen is as follows.....BOTH parents have to be US citizens, and you need to be born on US soil. That is in the states or a US military post. Neither parent can be a subject of any other nation.
In 1961 when Obama was born, his FATHER was a citizen of KENYA. Kenya was still part of the british empire at that time, thus making Obama Senior a subject of Britain....he was NOT a US citizen.
The constitution is very clear on this matter. The framers did it for a reason. Its the LAW.
B. Obama may well have shown a valid birth cert. to get his passport....but having a birth cert is NOT what is requied to be Pres. What that BC says about his parents is what is in dispute, and Obama has hired lawyers to the tune of $800K to keep from showing his BC.
What is he hiding? I have had to show mine for every job I ever had. For Insurance too. And Drivers license...etc. Why should he not answer the complaints filed in courts asking to see his BC? It's a simple request, And would end all the speculation. Agreed?
Obama himself wrote an opinion about John McCain being born in Panama. He said everything I just told you about being a natural born citizen in that opinion, and said John met the requirments. Now it's his turn to pony up and supply the paper work.
if he is proven to be a NBC fine. If he is not, the fact is he KNEW it. In that case, charges need to be filed for fraud and other crimes. This is simple. Easy as ABC dude.
Truth is, he did win. Truth is, is he did so under false documentation, he lost.
I like to hear him speak. He has some good ideas. Who knows, he may be a good leader.
But every congresmen/women took an oath to uphold the CONSTITUTION of the United States of American, and I damn well DEMAND they do just that. What about you?
Do you want the Constitution upheld? Or do you choose to change it for everyone who does not like what it says, and refuses to honor it?
What say you?
Lets just say he was born in Hawaii. Fine. (although his grandmother is on video saying he was born in Kenya) That makes him a US citizen, sure enough.
Now, as the constitution clearly states, there are requirements to being born a citizen, and yet a differant set of requirments to being a NATUARAL BORN CITIZEN. The only people qualified to the office of the US Pres. are "natural born citizens"
A natural born citizen is as follows.....BOTH parents have to be US citizens, and you need to be born on US soil. That is in the states or a US military post. Neither parent can be a subject of any other nation.
In 1961 when Obama was born, his FATHER was a citizen of KENYA. Kenya was still part of the british empire at that time, thus making Obama Senior a subject of Britain....he was NOT a US citizen.
The constitution is very clear on this matter. The framers did it for a reason. Its the LAW.
B. Obama may well have shown a valid birth cert. to get his passport....but having a birth cert is NOT what is requied to be Pres. What that BC says about his parents is what is in dispute, and Obama has hired lawyers to the tune of $800K to keep from showing his BC.
What is he hiding? I have had to show mine for every job I ever had. For Insurance too. And Drivers license...etc. Why should he not answer the complaints filed in courts asking to see his BC? It's a simple request, And would end all the speculation. Agreed?
Obama himself wrote an opinion about John McCain being born in Panama. He said everything I just told you about being a natural born citizen in that opinion, and said John met the requirments. Now it's his turn to pony up and supply the paper work.
if he is proven to be a NBC fine. If he is not, the fact is he KNEW it. In that case, charges need to be filed for fraud and other crimes. This is simple. Easy as ABC dude.
Truth is, he did win. Truth is, is he did so under false documentation, he lost.
I like to hear him speak. He has some good ideas. Who knows, he may be a good leader.
But every congresmen/women took an oath to uphold the CONSTITUTION of the United States of American, and I damn well DEMAND they do just that. What about you?
Do you want the Constitution upheld? Or do you choose to change it for everyone who does not like what it says, and refuses to honor it?
What say you?
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08 January 2009 20:31:00
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Bearcat wrote:
Why do some of the citizens of NW Ohio have such a hard time accepting the fact that Obama is going to be their president? He won by more than 8 million votes which is a margin of more than 5 million more than won by Bush in his races in '00 and '04. He received a surplus of more than 100 electorial votes than Bush received in his two races. He won more states in '08 than Bush won in '04. To suggest that many of those who supported Obama are either sorry of their vote in November or that we don't know anything is just foolish. As Rush and Sean liked to tell their liberal listeners who so hated the Bush administration, "get over it, our man won and your's lost". Well, our man won this time so accept it. He is as much a natural born American citizen as anyone who posts on this blog. The only difference is he just happens to be the only one elected to the office of President of the United States. With all the trouble this nation is facing because of both the actions of and the inactions of the Bush administration from a trillion dollar deficit, a national debt of 10 trillion dollars, to a vastly lowered world opinion of our nation, to a health care and energy crisis that has festered much to long, to the lack of health insurance for more than 47 million Americans, to increasing unemployment and the resulting reduction of tax dollar income for the federal government, to an overextended military, to an infrastructure that is falling apart, to spying on all Americans who travel overseas and make calls home, to torture of detainees, etc., etc., etc. why don't you just give Obama the support he needs to try and put our nation on a course that will attempt to undo the damage done by Bush in these past 8 years.
Bearcat
Bearcat
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08 January 2009 23:54:30
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danimal wrote:
Wow,
Some of you liberals are very thick between the ears. Do you'r optic nerves not carry the information you read to the part of the brain that then deciphers it into rational thought?
Bearcat, etal, why don't you understand that the very same document that allowed Obama to become the Pres. Elect, is the same one that lays out the qualifications?
If his father was not a US citizen, then he has no right to be the president. Thats all I and many of us are saying. Just show the proof and then lets move on. I am fine with Obama being the president, as long as he did not commit fraud to get their. I will support hom 100% if he puts all his ducks in a row and is forthcomming with the birth cert. that has been requested in the law suits that are pending, and his parents are shown to be US citizens.
You ask that everyone accept him because he won an election, of which the laws that make that possable are laid out in the constitution. All we ask is that he meets the status of who is allowed to be elected to that office, also laid out in plain English in that very same constitution. Are you also willing to toss out those rules? Are you willing to pick and choose what parts of the constitution you accept? Sorry my friend, but it don't work that way. You can not have it both ways.....no what I mean Vern?
None of what I am saying as anything to do with how bad Bush has been, or who I would like to have in office. It simply is about what the LAW says...period. The big problem is Obama has spent nearly a million dollars to keep the requested BC hidden...that smells of a cover-up. You need to take off your selective blinders and allow the truth to be heard.
But then again, being a liberal, you just don't get it, do you?
Some of you liberals are very thick between the ears. Do you'r optic nerves not carry the information you read to the part of the brain that then deciphers it into rational thought?
Bearcat, etal, why don't you understand that the very same document that allowed Obama to become the Pres. Elect, is the same one that lays out the qualifications?
If his father was not a US citizen, then he has no right to be the president. Thats all I and many of us are saying. Just show the proof and then lets move on. I am fine with Obama being the president, as long as he did not commit fraud to get their. I will support hom 100% if he puts all his ducks in a row and is forthcomming with the birth cert. that has been requested in the law suits that are pending, and his parents are shown to be US citizens.
You ask that everyone accept him because he won an election, of which the laws that make that possable are laid out in the constitution. All we ask is that he meets the status of who is allowed to be elected to that office, also laid out in plain English in that very same constitution. Are you also willing to toss out those rules? Are you willing to pick and choose what parts of the constitution you accept? Sorry my friend, but it don't work that way. You can not have it both ways.....no what I mean Vern?
None of what I am saying as anything to do with how bad Bush has been, or who I would like to have in office. It simply is about what the LAW says...period. The big problem is Obama has spent nearly a million dollars to keep the requested BC hidden...that smells of a cover-up. You need to take off your selective blinders and allow the truth to be heard.
But then again, being a liberal, you just don't get it, do you?
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09 January 2009 01:54:22
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HappyG wrote:
Obama has gone by several names, which suited him at the time, over his lifetime. He has been Barry Soetoro, Barry Dunham, Barray Obama, and as Barack. In 1981, he went to Pakistan using an Indonesian passport. At that time, U.S. citizens were not allowed to travel to Pakistan. And, Indonesia did not accetp dual citizenship. So, how did Barry get to Pakistan? Barry considered himself an Indonesian, so when did he give up his citizenship there, and when did he proclaim his citizenship in the U. S.?
At one point, state department contractors were "caught" searching Obama's passport files, and fired by the Bush administration. It has been alleged that it was his own people researching to find out what is known about him. There is so much we don't know about Barack Hussein Obama (which he is now know as), but we know everything about Sarah Palin, her kids, her kids' friends, boyfriends', and even Joe the Plumber. Yet, he is the messiah to liberals because he gives hope. I'd rather have faith in my government than false hope.
At one point, state department contractors were "caught" searching Obama's passport files, and fired by the Bush administration. It has been alleged that it was his own people researching to find out what is known about him. There is so much we don't know about Barack Hussein Obama (which he is now know as), but we know everything about Sarah Palin, her kids, her kids' friends, boyfriends', and even Joe the Plumber. Yet, he is the messiah to liberals because he gives hope. I'd rather have faith in my government than false hope.
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09 January 2009 07:47:03
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HappyG wrote:
Forgive my typos. I was sleepy and in a hurry. Here is an ad that Fox, and the MSM refused to run. Thanks Tom, for bringing it to light. Maybe he is legit, but we won't know unless people speak out, especially those in the media.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYdk26ezVio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYdk26ezVio
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09 January 2009 08:10:15
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dunedweller wrote:
Danimal wrote: "The Constitution is very clear on this matter. The framers did it for a reason. It's the LAW" "If his father was not a U.S. citizen, then he has no right to be the President".
Probably came as a bummer to the 9 "framers" that were not born in the U.S., or many of the other "Founding Fathers" who's fathers were not born in the U.S. Might come as a surprise to the first few President's and Vice Presidents who were born as British subjects, or all those who's fathers were not born in the U.S., or for that matter Vice President Chester Arthur who was sworn in as President after Garfield was assassinated (he is widely believed to have been born in Canada although was never challanged).
What say me? With no credible journalists willing to touch this absurd claim, other than this type of fodder for blogs, the rantings and wishful speculation by partisans still in shock over losing the election, and my amusement from those who still cling to some last minute technicality legal loophole, I agree with the courts that have all rejected this assinine assertion by throwing out the case as having "no merit based on lack of standing". It's much ado about less than nothing.
Personally, I could give two shits less if he was born on Mars as long as he has the potential to make the needed gains on fixing the numerous problems now facing this Country, and the bottom line is....where his father was born isn't one of them.
Probably came as a bummer to the 9 "framers" that were not born in the U.S., or many of the other "Founding Fathers" who's fathers were not born in the U.S. Might come as a surprise to the first few President's and Vice Presidents who were born as British subjects, or all those who's fathers were not born in the U.S., or for that matter Vice President Chester Arthur who was sworn in as President after Garfield was assassinated (he is widely believed to have been born in Canada although was never challanged).
What say me? With no credible journalists willing to touch this absurd claim, other than this type of fodder for blogs, the rantings and wishful speculation by partisans still in shock over losing the election, and my amusement from those who still cling to some last minute technicality legal loophole, I agree with the courts that have all rejected this assinine assertion by throwing out the case as having "no merit based on lack of standing". It's much ado about less than nothing.
Personally, I could give two shits less if he was born on Mars as long as he has the potential to make the needed gains on fixing the numerous problems now facing this Country, and the bottom line is....where his father was born isn't one of them.
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09 January 2009 18:37:54
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Scant wrote:
Dune is back. Hip Hip Horray. Stick your head in the Michigan sand Dune. You give two shits less where BO is from, thats sad because you just want someone who will tell you what you want to hear.
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09 January 2009 18:45:50
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danimal wrote:
Dunedweller....
as usual the LIBERAL speaks without knowlage. The framers KNEW where they were from and "GRANDFATHERED" themselves into the Constitution. Why don't you go read it with bearcat? You both have no idea what you are talking about.
And the FACT IS, 16 states have , at this very moment, cases in on file, in the courts that have NOT been thrown out.
Like I said to Bearasscat, If he is ligit, I wish him well. I personaly like to hear his feel good messages.
On MARS huh?
Anything goes huh? The constitution be damned huh? How unpartriotic you are. You and your kind are whats wrong witht this country. Gimme everything I want...to hell with the law.....
Read the Constitution....get a clue. Where is Father was born most certainly does matter. It's in black and white...writen plain as day. Learn something Duneboy, before it's too late.
as usual the LIBERAL speaks without knowlage. The framers KNEW where they were from and "GRANDFATHERED" themselves into the Constitution. Why don't you go read it with bearcat? You both have no idea what you are talking about.
And the FACT IS, 16 states have , at this very moment, cases in on file, in the courts that have NOT been thrown out.
Like I said to Bearasscat, If he is ligit, I wish him well. I personaly like to hear his feel good messages.
On MARS huh?
Anything goes huh? The constitution be damned huh? How unpartriotic you are. You and your kind are whats wrong witht this country. Gimme everything I want...to hell with the law.....
Read the Constitution....get a clue. Where is Father was born most certainly does matter. It's in black and white...writen plain as day. Learn something Duneboy, before it's too late.
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09 January 2009 19:29:36
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dunedweller wrote:
Sorry Danimal, I wasn't aware you were a Lawyer specializing in issues of constitutionality.
Look...if you want to entertain the ramifications of a made up, manufactured, and theoretical Constitutional crisis that's fine, it goes very well with the fake outrage. It should come as no big news to anyone that there would be multiple lawsuits in multiple States. Any idiot can file, the question is, are the courts listening, and so far they are not. The majority of everyone else has accepted the election results and moved on. The next President will be sworn in on January 20th, and with some luck, maybe start to tackle the huge problems this Country faces.
I never said "anything goes", OR "Constitution be damned", so don't put your spin on my comments. You seem to believe "me and my kind" are what's wrong with this Country? I always thought it was the gullible, ignorant hicks such as yourself, that are duped into voting for incompetent politicians like "the Decider" simply because he waves the flag around and claims himself to have strong Christian faith and values, while his actions belies the truth. In that form of "patriotism", those that question or criticize the government, don't agree with policy, or maybe even by not wearing a flag lapel pin are thought of as "un- Patriotic", or have their Patriotism questioned. To me, THAT is acting un-Patriotic.
Have you served YOUR Country? Are you active in the civic affairs of YOUR community? I am. You might want to re-read that Constitution yourself next time before calling into question the Patriotism of others that might not happen to agree with you. You are a waste of my time.
Look...if you want to entertain the ramifications of a made up, manufactured, and theoretical Constitutional crisis that's fine, it goes very well with the fake outrage. It should come as no big news to anyone that there would be multiple lawsuits in multiple States. Any idiot can file, the question is, are the courts listening, and so far they are not. The majority of everyone else has accepted the election results and moved on. The next President will be sworn in on January 20th, and with some luck, maybe start to tackle the huge problems this Country faces.
I never said "anything goes", OR "Constitution be damned", so don't put your spin on my comments. You seem to believe "me and my kind" are what's wrong with this Country? I always thought it was the gullible, ignorant hicks such as yourself, that are duped into voting for incompetent politicians like "the Decider" simply because he waves the flag around and claims himself to have strong Christian faith and values, while his actions belies the truth. In that form of "patriotism", those that question or criticize the government, don't agree with policy, or maybe even by not wearing a flag lapel pin are thought of as "un- Patriotic", or have their Patriotism questioned. To me, THAT is acting un-Patriotic.
Have you served YOUR Country? Are you active in the civic affairs of YOUR community? I am. You might want to re-read that Constitution yourself next time before calling into question the Patriotism of others that might not happen to agree with you. You are a waste of my time.
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10 January 2009 11:37:08
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Militarymom wrote:
Good post happyg. Obama has so many secrets about himself. What is he hiding? He has to be hiding something. I don't now nor will I ever trust the Man. I don't care if he is the Messiah now of the Democrat Party or the United States. I don't trust him! By the way, you far lefties never got over Bush. So don't tell us to get over Obama. Also, Obama is not going to really be the one that will so called run this country. It will be the far left Congress, like Polisi (Whatever her name is!) And the far left Senate, that will be running this country. Obama will just be their goofer and yes person.
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10 January 2009 12:22:23
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danimal wrote:
Dunedweller, my my, you have once again proven yourself and idiot.
1st, the Constitution is NOT rocket science. It's plain English, that even an 8th grader can read and understand. 2nd, there is nothing 'theoretical' about this. John McCain was made to show his birth cert. and the senate voted on wether they believed he was a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. He produced the proof without questions and of course he passed muster because he ment the requirments. Whats keepng Obama from doing the same, brainiac? You are so uninformed its almost comical, you have no clue. You are showing you stupidity again when you say ...quote "I always thought it was the gullible, ignorant hicks such as yourself, that are duped into voting for incompetent politicians like "the Decider" simply because he waves the flag around and claims himself to have strong Christian faith and values, while his actions belies the truth.....um dude, you assume something without any knowlage once again. I have never said WHOM I voted for in the election. But to put that to rest, and at the risk of the ire of Happy G and Tom amoung others, I voted for B. Obama....you moron. And it was because of his 1/2 hour speech that changed my mind. He had a plan and an ideal...so I decided to back him.
That does not equate to following blindly like a little sheep as you do. I will still question anything he does that I do not agree with. And as an American and a VETERAN of the US ARMY, and the ARMY NATION GUARD, I have earned the right to do just that. I also vowed to uphold the Constitution and i will damn sure do that. Just because you left you vows when you left the airforce, don't drag me under the bus with you. Mine still stand and will until the day I die. The fact that you don't know the real meaning of the word
Patriotism, is a cring shame and you should be ashamed of yourself. You my narrow minded little friend, are a waste of everyones time.
1st, the Constitution is NOT rocket science. It's plain English, that even an 8th grader can read and understand. 2nd, there is nothing 'theoretical' about this. John McCain was made to show his birth cert. and the senate voted on wether they believed he was a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. He produced the proof without questions and of course he passed muster because he ment the requirments. Whats keepng Obama from doing the same, brainiac? You are so uninformed its almost comical, you have no clue. You are showing you stupidity again when you say ...quote "I always thought it was the gullible, ignorant hicks such as yourself, that are duped into voting for incompetent politicians like "the Decider" simply because he waves the flag around and claims himself to have strong Christian faith and values, while his actions belies the truth.....um dude, you assume something without any knowlage once again. I have never said WHOM I voted for in the election. But to put that to rest, and at the risk of the ire of Happy G and Tom amoung others, I voted for B. Obama....you moron. And it was because of his 1/2 hour speech that changed my mind. He had a plan and an ideal...so I decided to back him.
That does not equate to following blindly like a little sheep as you do. I will still question anything he does that I do not agree with. And as an American and a VETERAN of the US ARMY, and the ARMY NATION GUARD, I have earned the right to do just that. I also vowed to uphold the Constitution and i will damn sure do that. Just because you left you vows when you left the airforce, don't drag me under the bus with you. Mine still stand and will until the day I die. The fact that you don't know the real meaning of the word
Patriotism, is a cring shame and you should be ashamed of yourself. You my narrow minded little friend, are a waste of everyones time.
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10 January 2009 13:04:42
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SgtGideonsDad wrote:
So danimal, what 1/2 speech did Obama, give that made you vote for him when you aren't sure he even meets the requirements to be president?
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10 January 2009 15:09:59
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HappyG wrote:
I always thought Obama was kind of creepy. He didn't attend his Mom's, Dad, or Grandma's funerals. He said his grandmother died of cancer, but her nurse said she started failing when she fell and broke her hip. When Obama visited her a few months ago, Michelle and the kids went along, but they didn't visit her. It was also reported that their children have never met her. How weird is that?
Instead, he surrounded himself with radicals his entire life. The more I read about him, the more questions are raised. I'm beginning to think the question of his birth certificate conserns who the real father is, not the location. There are so many stories that appear logical, and with just a nod, he can produce all the documents he wants. Instead, he pays attorneys to keep them hidden. The conspiracy isn't poor losers, but is created by Obama, himself, to keep certain information that is generally public, private.
Instead, he surrounded himself with radicals his entire life. The more I read about him, the more questions are raised. I'm beginning to think the question of his birth certificate conserns who the real father is, not the location. There are so many stories that appear logical, and with just a nod, he can produce all the documents he wants. Instead, he pays attorneys to keep them hidden. The conspiracy isn't poor losers, but is created by Obama, himself, to keep certain information that is generally public, private.
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10 January 2009 20:04:58
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danimal wrote:
Sgtdad,
it was the half hour info-mercial the wwek befor e the election. McCain ha dso little substance and wasn't a real conservitive anyway, and Barr wasn't exciting me at all. I almost voted for myself, but decided on Obama while I was in the booth coloring in the dots. At the time , I figured he would show his citizenship, and all would be fine. Fool me once......right?
it was the half hour info-mercial the wwek befor e the election. McCain ha dso little substance and wasn't a real conservitive anyway, and Barr wasn't exciting me at all. I almost voted for myself, but decided on Obama while I was in the booth coloring in the dots. At the time , I figured he would show his citizenship, and all would be fine. Fool me once......right?
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10 January 2009 21:18:23
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Mike wrote:
danimal ~ If you will excuse the quote,
"So where are you? Where is that list? Where are the answers I requested?
Another "drive by" (substitute right wing for liberal) liberal posting. Run off at the mouth, with no facts...then POOF...no where to be found. Figures. "
I am still waiting for a definition for 'crimes against humanity' that does not fit what has been going on for the last many years. All these posts about how everyone should now be held to the constitution after having ignored it for so long! The law you are discussing isn't constitutional law. It is called convenient law. Obey it when it is convenient and ignore it when it's not.
"So where are you? Where is that list? Where are the answers I requested?
Another "drive by" (substitute right wing for liberal) liberal posting. Run off at the mouth, with no facts...then POOF...no where to be found. Figures. "
I am still waiting for a definition for 'crimes against humanity' that does not fit what has been going on for the last many years. All these posts about how everyone should now be held to the constitution after having ignored it for so long! The law you are discussing isn't constitutional law. It is called convenient law. Obey it when it is convenient and ignore it when it's not.
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10 January 2009 22:15:35
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danimal wrote:
Mike
Why is it that you come on like I have been some huge Bush supporter? I have not. I will admit that after 911, I wanted some asses kicked. Me and 86% percent of the counrty, most of whom faded away after they saw it was going to cost time, money and lives. If you are going to set here and tell me you didn't want revenge at that time, I will call you a liar.
If the UN or the DNC, or the congress believes there have been crimes against humanity, let them bring the charges the the courts, any courts. But that has not been done, now has it? That renders your whinning moot.
When I hear the next loud POP, I am going to assume it's the sound of you'r head coming out of you'r ass. The law I have been discussing is indeed constitutional law. John McCain can tell you it is, as he was made to produce his BC to the senate for conformation on his Natural Born Citizenship. Go read it. ("clue"
......google "The US Constitution"..and whalla.....there it will be for you, just waiting to inform you.
Now the most alarming thing about you and you'r ilk, is that what you are saying is....
"Well Bush did this and that and yadda yadda...so leave Obama alone". Thats just plain childish and ignorant. Like I said, I voted for him, (even if it was out of frustration) but I will not stand by and allow the law to be degraded further. If he is a fraud, I want him ousted. If he is legal, let the proof be shown, just like others have had to do in the past.
I never tie myself so tightly to any of our leaders that I am not willing to question them on anything. I do not pick and choose who can be allowed to break the law, just because they where my choice, and now days things need documantation because you can't trust any politician it seems.
Crimes against humanity, as defined by the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court Explanatory Memorandum, "are particularly odious offences in that they constitute a serious attack on human dignity or grave humiliation or a degradation of one or more human beings. They are not isolated or sporadic events, but are part either of a government policy (although the perpetrators need not identify themselves with this policy) or of a wide practice of atrocities tolerated or condoned by a government or a de facto authority. However, murder, extermination, torture, rape, political, racial, or religious persecution and other inhumane acts reach the threshold of crimes against humanity only if they are part of a widespread or systematic practice. Isolated inhumane acts of this nature may constitute grave infringements of human rights, or depending on the circumstances, war crimes, but may fall short of falling into the category of crimes under discussion.
But just for fun, here is the definition you requested. Your problem at this point now becomes naming the crimes that only BUSH can be held to account for. Remember, we are a nation, and congress, the military, etal have voted to support many of the things you might want to claim are BUSH"S crimes. I personaly despise the Patriot act, but it has been upheld and extended by congress....and that is unconstitutional as well.
Now do I need to print the laws for citizenship here from the constitution, or are you going to do some homework?
Why is it that you come on like I have been some huge Bush supporter? I have not. I will admit that after 911, I wanted some asses kicked. Me and 86% percent of the counrty, most of whom faded away after they saw it was going to cost time, money and lives. If you are going to set here and tell me you didn't want revenge at that time, I will call you a liar.
If the UN or the DNC, or the congress believes there have been crimes against humanity, let them bring the charges the the courts, any courts. But that has not been done, now has it? That renders your whinning moot.
When I hear the next loud POP, I am going to assume it's the sound of you'r head coming out of you'r ass. The law I have been discussing is indeed constitutional law. John McCain can tell you it is, as he was made to produce his BC to the senate for conformation on his Natural Born Citizenship. Go read it. ("clue"
......google "The US Constitution"..and whalla.....there it will be for you, just waiting to inform you.Now the most alarming thing about you and you'r ilk, is that what you are saying is....
"Well Bush did this and that and yadda yadda...so leave Obama alone". Thats just plain childish and ignorant. Like I said, I voted for him, (even if it was out of frustration) but I will not stand by and allow the law to be degraded further. If he is a fraud, I want him ousted. If he is legal, let the proof be shown, just like others have had to do in the past.
I never tie myself so tightly to any of our leaders that I am not willing to question them on anything. I do not pick and choose who can be allowed to break the law, just because they where my choice, and now days things need documantation because you can't trust any politician it seems.
Crimes against humanity, as defined by the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court Explanatory Memorandum, "are particularly odious offences in that they constitute a serious attack on human dignity or grave humiliation or a degradation of one or more human beings. They are not isolated or sporadic events, but are part either of a government policy (although the perpetrators need not identify themselves with this policy) or of a wide practice of atrocities tolerated or condoned by a government or a de facto authority. However, murder, extermination, torture, rape, political, racial, or religious persecution and other inhumane acts reach the threshold of crimes against humanity only if they are part of a widespread or systematic practice. Isolated inhumane acts of this nature may constitute grave infringements of human rights, or depending on the circumstances, war crimes, but may fall short of falling into the category of crimes under discussion.
But just for fun, here is the definition you requested. Your problem at this point now becomes naming the crimes that only BUSH can be held to account for. Remember, we are a nation, and congress, the military, etal have voted to support many of the things you might want to claim are BUSH"S crimes. I personaly despise the Patriot act, but it has been upheld and extended by congress....and that is unconstitutional as well.
Now do I need to print the laws for citizenship here from the constitution, or are you going to do some homework?
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11 January 2009 04:34:34
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danimal wrote:
Mike, let me help you.
Artcle 2 section 1
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
and now the definition of a NBC.....
It is generally agreed [1] that these constitutional provisions mean anyone born on American soil to parents who are U.S. citizens is a “natural born citizen” eligible to someday become president or vice-president, whereas anyone whose citizenship is acquired after birth as a result of naturalization "process or procedure" is not a "natural born citizen" and is therefore ineligible for those two positions...
note the words 'anyone born on American soil to parents who are U.S. citizens is a “natural born citizen”...do you see the words "parents'? and 'citizens'?
They have an 's' on the end, clearly meaning BOTH PARENTS....so if Obama senior was not a US citizen, we do have a problem....and I am sure you agree.
Artcle 2 section 1
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
and now the definition of a NBC.....
It is generally agreed [1] that these constitutional provisions mean anyone born on American soil to parents who are U.S. citizens is a “natural born citizen” eligible to someday become president or vice-president, whereas anyone whose citizenship is acquired after birth as a result of naturalization "process or procedure" is not a "natural born citizen" and is therefore ineligible for those two positions...
note the words 'anyone born on American soil to parents who are U.S. citizens is a “natural born citizen”...do you see the words "parents'? and 'citizens'?
They have an 's' on the end, clearly meaning BOTH PARENTS....so if Obama senior was not a US citizen, we do have a problem....and I am sure you agree.
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11 January 2009 04:52:08
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Mike wrote:
Danimal, As much as I disagree with you on certain issues, I can find issues that we agree on. We should be one nation discussing and acting as one toward a brighter future. The unPatriot act passed by congress does seem to be unconstitutional. Constitutional Law is not practiced on a simple level, otherwise the issue of enemy combatants at Guantanamo Bay would have been settled quickly. It used to be that people who broke or tried to skirt the law would be ostracized. Now they are re-elected or become lobbyists. Many newspapers are selective in their reporting. In my recent experience, the newspapers do not print letters to the editor in their entirety if at all (right Tom?). The liberal press sat on the story of illegal wiretapping for over a year waiting for W to be re-elected. Name calling (Liberal) is such a nice way to say, “I don’t have any good arguments left to support my position.”
I take it you agree then that ‘crimes against humanity’ can be defined as the International Criminal Court (ICC) has. I appreciate you reposting the same information that I did but from such an appropriate source whom the United States tries very hard to ignore. They (oops, I mean WE, the United States) have yanked funding from countries that support the ICC. The definition includes = A systematic or government policy that tolerates or condones murder, torture (enhanced interrogation & waterboarding) or enforced disappearance (those people picked off the streets of foreign soil and shipped out of the country for ‘interogation’). Sorry to repeat myself. It also defines war crimes as “(vi) Willfully depriving a prisoner of war or other protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial (can you say guantanamo bay?) and (vii) Unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement. I guess that means that the ‘Bush administration’ (again, WE, you and I, the United States) is also guilty of war crimes. It’s a good thing that the United States is not held accountable for its actions.
You were talking about how you want to enforce constitutional law? BTW, I still agree that if there is documentation that satisfies the NBC requirement, it should be shown. I confess that I haven’t looked at this issue at all! : )
I take it you agree then that ‘crimes against humanity’ can be defined as the International Criminal Court (ICC) has. I appreciate you reposting the same information that I did but from such an appropriate source whom the United States tries very hard to ignore. They (oops, I mean WE, the United States) have yanked funding from countries that support the ICC. The definition includes = A systematic or government policy that tolerates or condones murder, torture (enhanced interrogation & waterboarding) or enforced disappearance (those people picked off the streets of foreign soil and shipped out of the country for ‘interogation’). Sorry to repeat myself. It also defines war crimes as “(vi) Willfully depriving a prisoner of war or other protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial (can you say guantanamo bay?) and (vii) Unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement. I guess that means that the ‘Bush administration’ (again, WE, you and I, the United States) is also guilty of war crimes. It’s a good thing that the United States is not held accountable for its actions.
You were talking about how you want to enforce constitutional law? BTW, I still agree that if there is documentation that satisfies the NBC requirement, it should be shown. I confess that I haven’t looked at this issue at all! : )
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11 January 2009 08:49:01
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danimal wrote:
Mike...
well now, thats better. At least now we can converse without the angered name calling? Good deal. I always respond 'in kind' I am sure there are things we agree on.
But Gitmo serves a purpose, like it not, Some of those that are detained there should be...others not. But it's a far sight better than bring them to American prisons...they would not last an hour in one of those.
I see the phrase "crimes against humanity" as one of the most serious charges that can be leveled. I feel it requires continued across the board actions against a people, such as Hitler did with the Jews etal. Now if we tryed to exicute or prosecute all Muslims for the crimes of the extreme ones...that whould qualify. IMO.
well now, thats better. At least now we can converse without the angered name calling? Good deal. I always respond 'in kind' I am sure there are things we agree on.
But Gitmo serves a purpose, like it not, Some of those that are detained there should be...others not. But it's a far sight better than bring them to American prisons...they would not last an hour in one of those.
I see the phrase "crimes against humanity" as one of the most serious charges that can be leveled. I feel it requires continued across the board actions against a people, such as Hitler did with the Jews etal. Now if we tryed to exicute or prosecute all Muslims for the crimes of the extreme ones...that whould qualify. IMO.
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11 January 2009 09:41:46
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SgtGideonsDad wrote:
Wonder what interesting ways the Obama adminstration will use the Patriot Act for. Because I don't believe it's going away anytime soon..
danimal, I agree McCain is no conservative, but he's got
a lot more substance than Obama has or ever will..
danimal, I agree McCain is no conservative, but he's got
a lot more substance than Obama has or ever will..
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11 January 2009 13:00:02
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danimal wrote:
Sgt,
if by substance you mean grit , and tenacity...I agree. He his a strong man, and may have made a good leader..we may never know.
if by substance you mean grit , and tenacity...I agree. He his a strong man, and may have made a good leader..we may never know.
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11 January 2009 20:10:48
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danimal wrote:
Whats with all this?
Link after link form who knows who?
Must be some pissed off petty little liberals...
Link after link form who knows who?
Must be some pissed off petty little liberals...
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12 January 2009 04:27:20
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TRUTH wrote:
1) I voted McCain/Palin {just to know where I'm coming from}
2)HaPPyG - I'm afraid your not exactly correct. The COLB (birth cert) on factcheck.org has not "been proved" to be fake. One man did intensive research and "in his opinion" it is fake, but no court of law has proved it fake, so although I, like You, would LIKE to hear that to be true, it just is not....yet.
3)DrDoom... You are SO CORRECT. Man you hit the nail on the head. It would be incredible to say 1 million fell for Obamas fake b.s. If 10 million did unbelievable. But 63 million, really....what is wrong with people? Do they just want handouts?
4)Tom, the NaturalBornCitz.(NBC) case relates more to Donofrios case even more so than Bergs. Obama himself claims his father was a British Citizen. So with 1 parent being of U.S. you can be a U.S. Citizen, but you CAN NOT be a NBC for that requires BOTH parents being a U.S. citizen as our forefathers meant it so no ties to another country would exist.
Berg "might" prove Obama not born in the U.S. But after all this time I have to think, with Obamas Hawaii visits, there is "A"Birth Cert. saying he was born in the U.S. Not necessarily the same one that was there just a few months ago, but money talks.
However, EVEN IF he was born in Hawaii, having a father that was a British Citz. at the time of BHO. Jr.s birth, makes him NO NBC.
But as you said, the MSM has hidden this to the fullest. And worse, the SCOTUS keeps excusing it, refusing to even make a legal decision. Why? Because the TRUTH would result in an answer this country could not deal with. Civil War would happen, and still might if you read the right websites. Obama needed only to be Honest, but now it is to late.
2)HaPPyG - I'm afraid your not exactly correct. The COLB (birth cert) on factcheck.org has not "been proved" to be fake. One man did intensive research and "in his opinion" it is fake, but no court of law has proved it fake, so although I, like You, would LIKE to hear that to be true, it just is not....yet.
3)DrDoom... You are SO CORRECT. Man you hit the nail on the head. It would be incredible to say 1 million fell for Obamas fake b.s. If 10 million did unbelievable. But 63 million, really....what is wrong with people? Do they just want handouts?
4)Tom, the NaturalBornCitz.(NBC) case relates more to Donofrios case even more so than Bergs. Obama himself claims his father was a British Citizen. So with 1 parent being of U.S. you can be a U.S. Citizen, but you CAN NOT be a NBC for that requires BOTH parents being a U.S. citizen as our forefathers meant it so no ties to another country would exist.
Berg "might" prove Obama not born in the U.S. But after all this time I have to think, with Obamas Hawaii visits, there is "A"Birth Cert. saying he was born in the U.S. Not necessarily the same one that was there just a few months ago, but money talks.
However, EVEN IF he was born in Hawaii, having a father that was a British Citz. at the time of BHO. Jr.s birth, makes him NO NBC.
But as you said, the MSM has hidden this to the fullest. And worse, the SCOTUS keeps excusing it, refusing to even make a legal decision. Why? Because the TRUTH would result in an answer this country could not deal with. Civil War would happen, and still might if you read the right websites. Obama needed only to be Honest, but now it is to late.
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14 January 2009 21:50:10
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Azriel wrote:
look, if he were a natural born citizen, he'd have shown the BC. he 7 his handlers love the limelight and that would have been the frosting on the B.O. for prez cake. but, they did their absolute best to hide this.bury it so deep no one would know. hell half the country or better doesn't know his middle name.
in my ever so humble opinion. no, he's not a natural born citizen. he's not even a citizen at all. though he portrays one on tv.
catch a clue.
in my ever so humble opinion. no, he's not a natural born citizen. he's not even a citizen at all. though he portrays one on tv.
catch a clue.
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15 January 2009 21:20:05
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HappyG wrote:
Since his father was here on a student visa, then his parent(s) aren't natural born.
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16 January 2009 07:55:52
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jneill7854 wrote:
This topic is old news and has been beat to death during the campaign.
People need to suck it up and get over it already. Obama won and will be sworn in on January 20th at 12:00 noon like it or not.
This country is broken and anyone who does not wish for anything other than our new president to succeed in putting our country back together after the eight years of failed policies should be deemed as a traitor.
People need to suck it up and get over it already. Obama won and will be sworn in on January 20th at 12:00 noon like it or not.
This country is broken and anyone who does not wish for anything other than our new president to succeed in putting our country back together after the eight years of failed policies should be deemed as a traitor.
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16 January 2009 20:00:46
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Susan wrote:
jneill, how can you say this has been "beat to death during the campaign"??? The mainstream media refused to even approach the issue at all from the very beginning. The PROBLEM is that it hasn't been discussed enough, by the right people. Most people who don't read blogs like this one don't even know it has been an issue at all. THAT is a serious problem. The people (that's us) have a right to know of these things and the mainstream media SHOULD have done legitimate reporting of what was going on but instead, swept it under the rug because it's inconvenient and scary.
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17 January 2009 00:53:53
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HappyG wrote:
Absolutely, Susan! The problem is that it has even made an aside in the media. To heck with the Constitution and our country. Their man is president, no matter that he committed crimes by falsifying documents. I really believe that if the Obama supporters knew he committed perjury and fraud, and knew what probably is happening is unConstitutional, they would give him a pass. To hell with the most remarkable and excellent document in America, the document that made us what we are! It is nothing but an obsolete piece of paper to them, unless it serves their purpose.
Obama is not just a president, but he has annointed himself a monarch, with the blessing of the democratic party, and thanks to the media.
Obama is not just a president, but he has annointed himself a monarch, with the blessing of the democratic party, and thanks to the media.
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17 January 2009 07:49:13
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danimal wrote:
jneill,
You (and many like you) are the ones who should be deemed as a traitor. The constitution lays out very clearly what is required to become Pres. or Vice Pres. If you do not want that upheld, you are the traitor.
No one here wants to see Obama fail, but as you stated, the failed ploicies of the past are a cause for concern,To the point that we want TRANSPARENCY in ALL THINGS. That Obama himself called his father an English citizen is a problem. That means he knows he has commited a fraud on the USA and thumbed his nose at the constitution, must the same way you are doing. And that sickens me. You sicken me. That Obama and his Demorat cronies countinue to pay lawyers to keep his birth cert from being released is an admission to the charges. The very fact that they did not answer complaints filed in court over this is also deemed and admission of the charges. Read something, get some education, learn the facts and then you can make your claims. Until that time, you are only making an opinion known, and showing how unamerican you are by supporting the continued secrecy and what may be the biggest fraud every perpitrated against the office of the Pres. of the USA. You are just another liberal who wants your way NO MATTER the cost to the rule of LAW. Sick man, sick.
You (and many like you) are the ones who should be deemed as a traitor. The constitution lays out very clearly what is required to become Pres. or Vice Pres. If you do not want that upheld, you are the traitor.
No one here wants to see Obama fail, but as you stated, the failed ploicies of the past are a cause for concern,To the point that we want TRANSPARENCY in ALL THINGS. That Obama himself called his father an English citizen is a problem. That means he knows he has commited a fraud on the USA and thumbed his nose at the constitution, must the same way you are doing. And that sickens me. You sicken me. That Obama and his Demorat cronies countinue to pay lawyers to keep his birth cert from being released is an admission to the charges. The very fact that they did not answer complaints filed in court over this is also deemed and admission of the charges. Read something, get some education, learn the facts and then you can make your claims. Until that time, you are only making an opinion known, and showing how unamerican you are by supporting the continued secrecy and what may be the biggest fraud every perpitrated against the office of the Pres. of the USA. You are just another liberal who wants your way NO MATTER the cost to the rule of LAW. Sick man, sick.
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18 January 2009 07:54:27
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What do YOU this he is going to do for this god-forsaken country? He can only drive us more into the ground.
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[COLUMN] Is Obama a natural-born citizen?
In this Dec. 26 photo, President-elect Barack Obama leaves with some shaved ice at the Koko Marina Shopping Center in Hawaii Kai, Hawaii. (AP Photo/Lawrence Jackson, File)
The most underreported story of 2008 has to be the continuing saga of a few brave souls who are working through the courts to force President-elect Barack Obama to prove his citizenship.
In fact, a report from The Associated Press dismissed the whole thing as nothing but Internet conspiracy theories.
This lack of coverage is just the latest example of why I have mostly lost hope for the mainstream media in the United States.
Thanks to the lack of media coverage, many of you reading this may be unaware of the multitude of lawsuits challenging Obama's citizenship and his legal right to be president.
The Framers, when putting together our Constitution, inserted Article 2, Section 1, Clause 4, which tells us. "No Person except a natural born Citizen ... shall be eligible to the Office of President." The same clause prevents Austrian-born California Gov. Arnold A. Schwarzenegger from being president.
There have been at least 17 lawsuits filed in state and federal courts alleging that Obama does not meet the Constitutional requirement of being a natural-born citizen.
The lawsuits filed all have varying theories on Obama's citizenship, including that he was not born in the United States, that he became a citizen of Indonesia when he was adopted, or that he had dual citizenship at birth, which means he was not a natural-born citizen.
The lawsuit with which I am most familiar was filed in a federal court in Pennsylvania by Philip Berg, a Democrat.
That lawsuit alleges that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya. Berg says he has a recording of Obama's grandmother, Sarah Obama, saying she was present when Obama was born in Kenya.
Berg further claims that Obama himself and other members of his family have made conflicting statements as to where he was actually born. Additionally, Kenyan officials have said Obama was born in Kenya.
Much of the controversy surrounds Obama's birth certificate. The state of Hawaii has refused to release the long-form or "vault" copy of the birth certificate. Obama has also refused to release the long-form copy.
Back in June, the campaign did release a short-form certificate, which is a certificate created by Hawaii that says the long-form certificate is on file. However, according to Berg, the campaign only released the short-form certificate to The Daily Kos, a left-wing blog, and FactCheck.org, a pro-Obama organization. Additionally, Berg has called the short-form certificate a forgery.
Berg brought the case to the U.S. Supreme Court and was initially denied by Justices David Souter and Anthony Kennedy before submitting his petition to Justice Antonin Scalia.
The Supreme Court has scheduled two conferences on the case, one for Friday and a second one for Jan. 16, four days before Obama will take office.
I do not know if Obama is a natural-born citizen. My instincts tell me that it would have been difficult for him to hide that fact for so long. However, citizenship law can be very murky and Obama's reticence on the matter is disturbing.
I know from personal experience that when dealing with duel citizenship issues, birth certificates are usually filed in both countries. The state of Hawaii's statement that it has a birth certificate on file does nothing in solving the mystery of where Obama was born. It merely tells us that his birth was recorded in Hawaii.
The whole controversy might be nothing more than a crazy conspiracy theory. Then again, it might be a valid argument.
The whole matter could easily be settled by the state of Hawaii releasing the long-form certificate, something the Supreme Court can force if it accepts the case for arguments.
There is much at stake here. This is a serious constitutional question. If we find out later that Obama was not a natural-born citizen, then everything he did as president, treaties, laws, executive orders, etc., would be invalid.
The candidates spent more than $1 billion and two years vying for the job. Would it not make sense to give lawyers an afternoon arguing the issue in front of the Supreme Court? That is the least we could do to make sure the person taking the oath of office actually meets the requirements.
The Constitution demands nothing less.
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