Unbelievable! Obama bows to foreign king!

Remember the Obama interview on
"This Week" with George Stephanopoulos
when he said "my muslim faith" a
slip of the tongue...hardly.

Tell me you are kidding about the ipod...pleeeaaasseee!

Reagan1,

Not kidding at all. Worst part is, she already has a 6 GB silver Mini version that Prince Andrew talked her into buying in 2005.

That is about as stupid as the DVD box set of American movies that Obama gave Prime Minister Gordon Brown when he visited the United States. Only thing was the DVDs were incompatible with British DVD players.

Too funny.

~tjl~

Has he ever heard of the quote "America bows to no one?"

Give the poor man a break!
He at least downloaded his
speeches to the Queens ipod,
before he gave it to her.

Obama wasn't bowing, that
was a nod to the 15 Saudi
hijackers on Sept 11

Instinct was the reason Obama bowed down to the Saudi King.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2359022.ece

looks like France's first lady denied a kiss from BHO...but she must be "racist."

This proves that this so call whoever he is. Has no idea, what it means to be the President of the United States of Ameraica. He sure isn't being the President. He is more of a idot. And yes, His true self is not coming out. A shame to America! Kissing our eneamys behinds. WE are done for in this country. Unless, more and more true Americans speaks up and start protesting against him. Other countries have done it to there leaders.

Maybe he should have held the King's hand like King George II.

Come on DoggoD, there was
kissing involved too...

But Tom the King is Saudi Arabia's highest religious & social leader. Doesn't it
make sense for Barack to kowtow, seeing how he was raised as a Muslim and
is considered by all Muslims to be Muslim. I know, I know, he says he's not
but I don't believe anything he says. Instinct and upbringing took over.

Could it be that Obama actualy is a muslim who has infiltrated the US government to it's highest point? (after all, he is not a natural born citizen) Could that be why he keeps trying to spend us into oblivion...and cripple the US economy? To ruin from within...like a cancer...like all muslims the world over.

I saw a video at another angle, where Obama kissed his ring. Obama was the ONLY dignitary to bow down. All the others shook hands. I wonder why he didn't bow down to the Queen? Would that have po'd the Muslims?

This is what happens when you AND your staff's only experience is on-the-job training. I've never been a diplomat, never traveled overseas, but even I know that you don't touch the Queen of England. I guess Obama and his people had better make time to watch PBS.

Elizabeth II is much too kind to point out Michelle's breach of protocol, but I bet she'll get quite a laugh back at the Palace recounting her meeting with "the commoners".

Why should Obama, show any respect
for the Queen, with Islam is expanding
all through out the country, Elizabeth will
probably be the last or next to last
monarch of England. Even now her
grandson Prince Harry, has a price on
his head by his so called "countrymen"
for fighting muslims in Afghanistan.

bqman, Yep! Stupidity is why he told the world that Americans are arrogant, and we need to change our ways. Why should we change? After all, we support many of the third world countries, among all the other charities overseas Americans give to. It's never enough, and our president trashes the most generous country to have ever existed.

Can I change the subject just a second?
I just got home from playing bingo...and when I went to my truck, there was a handbill on my windshield. Infact they were everywhere I looked. It said
ON MAY 5TH ELECT DERRY GLENN FOR LIMA MAYOR.
Now 1st of all...May 5th is the PRIMARY....so I don't think Derry will be elected that day.
Please stop me if I am wrong!!! lol
as I was driving away, I noticed 30-50 of these flyers just blowing in the wind..up and down the street...now who is gonna clean up that mess?

Its sad that this poor excuse for an American doesn't up from down. Accusing America for being arrogant? Is he another one of these idiots that are brain washed by the socialist professors in our colleges ? Doesn't he even know how arrogant that we are? After all we pulled the EU out of the fire in WW1 and Again in WW11. Unfortunate that YOU didn't elect a real American for President! What a huge joke this character is. Unless the other side is, that he is trying to destroy America from the inside. He has no morals, no conscience, no character, no soul.

I agree with you, Harold. I don't think Obama has an original thought in his head. Everything he professes to be is from someone else's prompting, such as Ayers, and the other liberals (communists) that shaped him. He's similar to the Manchurian candidate, who is guided by others. This man hasn't a clue, except what he is being told. The messiah complex came from the media and his followers who got caught up in this star qualities. He took it to heart, and now actually believes he is someone special. I have a feeling it will all come tumbling down on him, and he will be shamed from public life...unless he succeeds at becoming our dictator.

OMG this is great!
Well, I'm sorry, but I can't agree with you, Harold!
"After all we pulled the EU out of the fire in WW1 and Again in WW11."
The European Union was founded in 1993 (it's based on the EEC and the European Coal and Steel Community - founded AFTER WWII). This means that even the mighty US could'nt rescue the EU in any of the two world wars (maybe they will do that in world war 11 or 12^^ ). But that's nitpicking, I guess.

@HappyG: "This man hasn't a clue, except what he is being told." (Quite funny: Here in "old" Europe we used to characterize Bush II that way)

In my opinion you should be glad to have a president like Obama - even if he makes a diplomatic faux pas now and then. He makes your country look much more intelligent than his predecessor did. (And he was elected properly, so people won't think of your country as a banana republic anymore)

I'm not so sure about the proper election, since ACORN had a huge hand in it. Besides, the media stayed silent on a lot of issues that would most likely have negated Obama in favor of Hillary Clinton. I don't like her, either, but she wouldn't have been so extreme as this dictator wannabe.

And, just how does he make our country look more intelligent? He certainly can't speak coherently, but he is good at reading someone else's words on a teleprompter. The guy was a lousy community organizer, who had no experience, and no knowledge of anything, except his fascist views. He never was original, but was guided by the likes of Ayers, Wright, and the other assortment of America haters. He's credibly alleged to have not written either of his books, but that Ayers wrote them. And, I highly doubt he is an American citizen.

"Old" Europe=Eurabia
The new NATO army
making the European Union
safe for Islamic expansion.
Right slomo, we want to be
just like you and we elected
a leader who APPEARS to be
more intelligent then the last
one, just so you can like us more.
here's an example of his intelligence
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/03/g20-barack-obama-nick-robinson-question

Good one, JT! I read several articles from GB that have similar thoughts about Obama. He is not a great orator, but he is good at reading words from a teleprompter, even though he doesn't know what they mean.

How dare our president show any respect to any foreign leaders!

You people have learned nothing from the last eight years, have you?

Lucente, you really know how to bring out the stupid in people.

What do you mean Mark?
You see anyone here
asking for the same guy
back after eight years
of his screw ups

Think about it.

You have to show respect in order to get respect, right?

Running around with this cowboy mentality, saying "screw the rest of the world, we're America and we're better than everyone else" has gotten us nowhere. It's only made everyone in the world hate us.

We are not the only people on this planet. We are not superior to anyone. When our forefathers wrote "all men are created equal", were they only talking about Americans? American arrogance has made us hated around the world. We need to knock it off.

Mark,

You'r kidding, right?

It is a well-established point of protocal that heads of state do not bow to each other. Don't you see where that is problematic? Obama, when he is acting as head of state, represents the United States. By bowing to a foreign monarch, who represents another nation, he is putting that foreign monarch in a position of superiority to us.

Kowtowing to foriegn monarchs is not a sign of respect, it is a sign of submission. You might like the idea of submitting to foreign monarchs, but I don't.

~tjl~

Nobody respects weakness.
The Iranians walked all over
Jimmy Carter. But they were
frightened of Ronald Reagan,
and he was the ultimate
cowboy, just ask the
Soviet Union.

BS, Lucente. That's an archaic way of thinking.

Reagan was the ultimate cowboy? Maybe in the movies. I don't seem to remember reagan invading any other countries, but I was kinda young back then, too. Reagan was smarter than he was tough. That's how you can win wars without even fighting, by using your head.

Yeah he probably shouldn't have bowed, but so-what? Really, who cares? You think a little faux pas like that is going to change international diplomacy in the slightest? Who cares that she ASKED for the ipod. Heads-of-state make little flubs all the time, remember the last president rubbing the shoulders of the Germany's Merkel?

There are plenty of better things to focus on, in regards to Obama's performance that this is truly silly.

The only people who care are the ones that are looking for things to complain about.

Some people make a living off of whining......

You win wars by vanquishing
your enemies. You can't win
a war without fighting no
matter how smart you are.
Carter was a nucular engneer,
known for his intellect, Reagan
was not. Reagan had steel in
his spine, something Carter
and apparently Obama lack.

I think you underestimate Obama quite a bit.

And, I guess you've never heard of the Cold War.

What an astute observation JT, please enlighten us with more gems of wisdom...lol
Republicans call Obama the "messiah" of the dems, but Reagan must surely be the "messiah" of the neo-conservative movement. Both sides are idiots. JT, you CAN win a war without fighting, and you're boy Reagan did that with the USSR. Your point is moot.

"...the moral equal of our Founding Fathers." --President Reagan, describing the Nicaraguan contras, March 1, 1985

I think it was Louis Farakhan
who said Obama was the "messiah"
the repugs just picked up on it.

You two can't tell the difference
between a war with bullets and
bombs, from a "Cold War".
My point was it takes a leader
with a spine to deal with the
enemy, Reagan stood up to
the USSR, no matter how much
those wimps in Europe complained.
Mark, I don't underestimate Obama
I think to many overestimate the man
He's going reverse global warming,
fix the economy, bring peace to the
world and make all the races love
each other and pay our mortgages
and fill our gas tanks. That will take
a "messiah"

Your words, not mine.

You're the one who doesn't understand and I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain it to you.

You Obama haters need to grow up and focus on important issues that we need to tackle. Who cares about how they greet foreign leaders or what gifts they give. If you people really think that small then I will guarantee you that you couldn't do a better job at solving the IMPORTANT problems we face.

The die-hard Obama supporters will excuse EVERY gaffe he makes. EVERY single one. Can anyone even count the number of screwups Obama has made in the short time he's been in office? But when we dare point them out, they will try to guilt and shame us into leaving the poor guy alone, and "give him a chance". B.S. The person who is elected President of the United States should already KNOW these basics of protocol BEFORE he is elected, and if THEY would have cared about electing someone who actually HAD any experience necessary for this job, we wouldn't have this one traveling all over the world making himself look incompetant. I can only imagine the stress of working in Obama's protocol office. They're probably running around pulling their hair out because they can't keep up with him.

I have just a few questions for those of you who defend and make excuses for every mistake Obama makes. WHEN will the people of this country have a right to be critical of him? HOW long must we "give him a chance" before it is OK to say anything negative about him? My hunch is that, to these hardcore Obama fanatics, it will NEVER be OK to criticize him. Their objective is to make everyone feel wrong for criticizing anything he does, pass every faux pas off as something "tiny" and ask "who cares" because heaven forbid that people would actually start realizing that all these things add up and before you know it, we're the laughing stock of the world...again, and even worse, more vulnerable to terrorism than we've ever been before. Funny though, I bet EVERY last one of these Obama freaks here were very quick to judge Bush from the day he took office. It's always OK to beat down the other guy, but defend yours till the end of time. It would be laughable, if the path they are leading us down weren't so destructive and dangerous.

Your right Mark, I don't get it,
explain it to me, especially the part
where big tough Obama, stood the
North Koreans down. They launched
their rocket anyway and what bold
move did Obama make then, he ran
crying to his little sister (the UN) to
do something about it.

Obama was given the benefit of the doubt in the beginning. He was preferred over Hillary, and now,there's a lot of buyer's remorse. Though I'm a conservative, I was one who preferred Hillary, and I don't like her, either, but at least she would take the slow road to fascism. I don't think Barry has gone a day without making some kind of gaffe. He's in over his head because of lack of experience, and lack of knowledge. Don't you even wonder why he won't show his college transcripts? There's a few reasons behind that one!

I did, and still prefer Obama over McCain but that's not to say I like either of them. They both worship at the altar of the almighty dollar, no matter what either of them say. You HAVE to worship at that church to get to that level of politics period. Otherwise, you end up like Ralph Nader. The really sad thing about this country, is now how much we disagree on but how much we DO agree on but can't improve our society because of a few divisive issues. These are the issues these crooked politicians use to slice and dice us into voting districts and sell their brand of bull@#$!. Then, just like good cheerleaders the devoted lefties and righties start falling right into those voting districts whilst the candidates try and tell enough lies to win the moderates that really just want to solve some stuff.
Your right, I'm giving Obama a chance and I gave Bush a chance too. I thought the dude was a doofus, but I can live with a doofus that makes good decisions. Bush screwed a LOT of the big things up and Obama probably will too because they have the same religion.....$$$

/end rant

Mark, Your posting on here too. So you must be one of us. One of the Stupid people on here. As you stated! Have a good day.

LD,
If Bush and Obama follow
the same religion....$$
why did you pull the lever
for Obama if you think he
while probably screw up
a LOT of things too.
Just asking?

That was a definate bow to the King! How embarrassing for Americans.
And now he's "searching" for church to go to for Easter, to put on a show.

What's as bad as bowing to the King is denying it. It shows what a pure liar that man is. I wonder why he's searching for a church to celebrate an "infidel's" birth? Photo ops?

Obama refuses to answer question about piracy.
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama has declined to answer a question about the hostage situation off the coast of Somalia.

The president was asked about the incident as he met with U.S. homeowners about refinancing mortgages. At the close of a Roosevelt Room event, the president was asked by a reporter if he were concerned about the piracy incident.

Obama responded: "Guys, we're talking about housing right now."

Reporters were then ushered out of the room as they usually are after such events.

Obama has yet to comment publicly on the incident.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/obama_piracy

How cowardly can he get? First, he bows to an underling, since he's supposed to be the most powerful person in the world; then lies about it. We not only have an inexperienced leader, but we have a very ignorant inexperienced leader.

HappyG,
I said it when I heard that the armed forces have plans to wipe out all the pirates in under 72 hours. There will have to be sensless deaths to Americans before he would dare attack people from a Muslim country. Somalia has no government to denounce the 12 mile water line so I say take em all out!

Agree, Reagan1. This is going to be interesting. I wonder how long the media will defend him, before he scares the bejeesus out of them?

Mark, Seriously are you this STUPID or are you just trying to stir other posters up????Do you really think it is appropriate for the leader of the free world to bow to a two bit dictator like he was nothing but a house n----r??? How far this country has fallen and it's not even the end of the infamous "100 days"!! God help us or should we get used to saying Allah help us???

I didn't see you fussing over Bush not only holding hands with the Saudi King but he was kissing his cheek too.

It's called tradition and shows respect.

Can we please leave the "N" word outside...far far away?

What Bush did was the traditional way of greeting. Remember Hillary kissing Arafat's wife? Bowing down shows inferiority, and also obedience and remorse. Obama knows what the bowing means, since he was a Muslim for a time. I think he still is.

So when a man bows to a woman, he's showing inferiority, obedience, and remorse?

It doesn't matter what Obama does, you people are going to find fault with it. When you're only looking for negative things, you're going to find them.

And if you don't think America is viewed as arrogant by the rest of the world, well, that's being pretty arrogant....and naive.

To oldperson:
Please don't waste space. If you have nothing to add to the debate, then don't say anything. Have a good day!

When a man bows to a woman, he is showing her superiority over him, just as Obama did the Saudi King.

Berry Sotero, is a foreign
dictator's wet dream.
He didn't accuse us of
just being arrogant, he
accused us of torture
genocide and not being
respectful of the muslim
world. He went groveling
and didn't get one thing he
asked for in return.
Mark ,you like ole Barry, are
a blame America first clown.

Happy, nice joke, but I don't think so.

And JT, I never said anything about groveling. All I said was who gives a flying **** if Obama bowed out of respect to a foreign leader. That's all it was. You can build it up to be this big, "OH NO! OBAMA'S A MUSLIM!" thing if you want, but all that's showing is your complete lack of common sense. Nobody died, nobody surrendered anything.

ALL IT WAS WAS A FREAKING BOW, PEOPLE! It may have been a gaffe, a faux pas, whatever. But you'd think people would be used to stuff like that after our last president. That man couldn't even recite common adages!

GET OVER IT! Obama is our president. He will be atleast until the next election. Now you can either sit around and whine and cry over stupid crap like this, or you can act like an adult and look at the big picture.

But I'm pretty sure which road you'll take.

And Boomer3, just go away. You're an IDIOT!

Mark,
So it doesn't bother
you that Obama thrashed
our country, and got no
cooperation from our
"Allies" for his efforts.
North Korea launches
an ICBM in defiance of
the UN. Obama's
response is to have his
Secretary of Defense
cut back on the deployment
of missle interceptors
including in Alaska, which
now the N.Korean ICBMs
can reach. The man
told the Europeans that
he wants our country to
disarm to set an example
to our enemies.
That's how I see the "Big Picture"
Your "Big Picture" is to have
our President go before other
countries with his fly open.
who's lacking common sense now?

Your "big picture" is through a lens of paranoia.

Obama thrashed our country? That's news to me.

What would you do about North Korea? Please tell us....

What's Obama doing about the Somalies who has hijacked one of our ships delivering aid to Kenya? Nothing? Thinking about it? Asking the UN to intervene? And, in the meantime, there are more Somalies on the scene, and are threatening murder. Do you really think Obama is going to take drastic measures against those nasty Somalians? He is considered a pantywaist by British papers, and other European papers are poking fun at his stupidity. The MSM doesn't tell us, but read foreign papers and find out what they really think of the Obamanation!

I don't consider him my president, because he has never been properly vetted, and is most likely not even a citizen of the U.S. And, I'm not referring to his fake Hawaiian birth certificate, but the fact that Lolo Soetoro adopted him, and he went by the name of Barry Soetoro, and never formally changed it back to Barack Obama. He went to college as a foreign student, and traveled on an Indonesian passport. So, you can have your Soetoro, until he proves otherwise. He gave up the name, Barack Obama a long time ago.

Mark,

1- Men in this country don't "bow" to women.

2- We'd like to point out positive things about him, but there are so few of them. Did you overlook all the negatives about Bush? I doubt it.

3- If you DON'T think much of the rest of the world views Americans as "arrogant", then you clearly have not met and spoken to people from other countries, they most certainly DO see America as an arrogant nation.

4- Old Person and boomer have as much right to post here as you do, whether you like what they have to say or not. If they should be expected to stop posting, then you probably should too.

HappyG and JT, well said.

MArk,
In just a shor time you have said some of the stupidest things I have seen here since Latif was last posting. You are cleary in the dark. So tell us, just what IS this BIG PICTURE you refered to? Enlighten us as to just what the 'illegal' president has done so far that has helped anyone or anything.
And just FYI....so you might get a little education.....

Bowing originated as a gesture of subordination, as lowering the head leaves the bower vulnerable. This was particularly the case in Asian cultures such as that of samurai Japan.[citation needed]

Bowing to other human beings is frowned upon in Muslim cultures as all human beings are considered equal and bowing is only supposed to be done to God in Islam. Similarly, in Judaism the second of the Ten Commandments is generally interpreted to forbid bowing before anyone but God.

Now are we clear on this? You are wrong, plain and simple. The rest of us have it right. Shut up, unless you have something to say that you know something about..

happy, oh my. You really think Obama is NOT a U.S. citizen? You've been reading too many emails! (BTW, have you sent your money to the nigerian prince yet? LOL).

As far as the Somalia thing, he's doing what he needs to do. They have hostages and the important thing is getting those people home safely. If you have any other ideas, let's hear them.

Susan,
1. men used to bow to women. It's a show of respect, nothing more.

2. I was a Bush supporter, until he drove this country into the ground. The last election was the first time I have EVER voted for a democrat. Obama inherited a lot of problems from Bush. They are not going to get solved in 3 months, 6 months, or even a year. It took us a long time to get here, expecting to get out of this mess within 6 months is just ignorant. I'm going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt and give him some time.

3. THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING!!!! PAY ATTENTION!!! That's the cause of a lot of our problems. If all it take sis to bow to a foreign leader to show the world we're not a bunch of arrogant crybabies, then so be it!

4. Yes, everyone has a right to post here. Everybody knows that. But if the only thing they want to do is call people names, then I have no use for them. That's my opinion, and like you said, I have a right to post my opinion on here. If you don't like it, well...you do what you have to.

danimal,
you seem to know so much about bowing, why is it they bow to each other before a karate match? It's a sign of respect. I suggest YOU LEARN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OR SHUT UP!

danimal HAHAHA!

Had to look that up on wikipedia, eh? Don't act like you know all this crap if you have to look it up! Atleast be a man about it and cite your source!!!

C'mon, oh intelligent "I am the smartest because I can cut and paste anything from Wiki" Danimal!!

CRACKS ME UP!!! LOL

Mark the blind idiot,
In JAPAN it's a sign of respect before battle...symbolism....see?
Moron...BUT YOU MIGHT JUST BE SO STUPID THAT YOU DID NOT KNOW oBAMA WAS IN saudi arabia...NOT JAPAN...WHEN HE BOWED...also Obama is not japanese, or a karate master. Lord you make no sense...how friggin stupid are you going to get?
IN THE MIDDLE EAST...ie: MUSLIM COUNTRIES...it is
Bowing to other human beings is frowned upon in Muslim cultures as all human beings are considered equal and bowing is only supposed to be done to God in Islam. Similarly, in Judaism the second of the Ten Commandments is generally interpreted to forbid bowing before anyone but God.
Can't you read? Thats not MY answer...thats from the dictionary and wikipedia....so it's accepted as factual...Now go learn something moron...AGAIN YOU ARE Wrong,

As far as the Somalia thing, he's doing what he needs to do

Just what is it that he's doing? You said he's doing what he needs to do, so, what is it? Or are you assuming, since he's Obama, he's going to do the right thing, even though we have no idea what he's up to? You automatically allow him to do as he pleases. You voters gave Obama a free ride to do as they see fit, and the rest of America be damned. How anyone can sit back and trust someone they know nothing about, control nearly all aspects of their lives, without blinking an eye? Do you really trust THAT Man that much? Hitler would have loved you. When we stop questioning government, we might as well write slave across our foreheads. And yes, that goes for past administrations, too. We are going to hell in a handbasket, and people like you are carrying the basket for our government.

Mark,
At least I will go look for facts before running off at the mouth like you.
Thats what an education does for you...it teaches you HOW to get information. And when to use it. Thats what DEBATE is loser.

Why is it we can't get a liberal on here that has some brains? We keep getting Latif, and Mark and others...it's like that movie Groundhog Day. Same old bullshit...no facts and full of stupid claims with no back-up. Amazing.

Mark, re #3. I did not see the word "don't" when I read your post (sure you didn't go back and add that in there?) Regardless, I'm glad you see one thing correctly. Maybe in time you'll figure the rest out too.

As for opinions, it appears that you think everyone has the right to an opinion only if it matches yours. That does not work well here. May I suggest that you go create your own blog where you can be the supreme ruler and actually have the right to deny anyone you want their rights to their opinions? I think you would be much happier that way.

Susan, you're telling me that????? Just because my opinion doesn't match your, danimal's, happy's or anybody else on here, I'm an idiot, right? If you actually read through these posts, you'll see I've only attacked after I was attacked.

And danimal, if you think Obama meant anything other than to show respect, then you're the fool, not I. Use your freakin' head, man. I said it before, but I guess I have to repeat it-Obama made a gaffe. Nothing new to a president. Bush had enough of them to cover ten presidents, but I guess that's ok. Also, I am not a liberal. I used to consider myself a republican. I can't do that any longer seeing as how most republicans (like you) have gone off the deep end and can't even think logically anymore. keep listening to Rush and Beck, they're the voices of reason! LOL

Danimal, you also acted like you knew that stuff for a fact, when you didn't. You had to look it up and then you accuse me of being un-educated. I can look stuff up on wiki, too. I just don't have to look up stuff that's easily explained using common sense. If I do, I will post it and give the link or atleast tell you where I got the information so you can see it for yourself.

you have a lot of anger, yo ushould see someone about that.

Happy, I'm not just giving Obama a free ride, nor am I so paranoid that I'm flying off the handle about everything I read on the internet. I don't know what he's doing about the pirates. What's he supposed to do, hop on a boat and go out there and talk to them? We have military personnel on the scene that have been trained to deal with these things. All we can do is trust that they are doing everything they can to bring about a peaceful resolution to this situation.

But like I said, if you have any ideas, let's hear them. Seems everybody on here knows Obama and everybody else is doing the wrong things, but I haven't heard anyone say what is the right thing to do.

Come on, people. LET'S HEAR IT IF YOU THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING!

Oh, and Susan, please inform me how you can edit your posts on here. I have said it more than once that Americans are viewed as arrogant.

In fact, most of the people posting on here are exhibiting the characteristics that have given Americans the "arrogant" label. Danimal is a prime example

Mark, I'm not paranoid
are you denying any of
what I said is true.
You need to read more
than the Daily Kos to get
you info.
What would I have done
when N.Korea launched
their ICBM, I would have
shot it down and dared
them or the world to do
something about it.
it

Sorry, I don't read the daily kos.

So, we should have shot a missile through china's airspace, or japan's (I'm really not sure of the trajectory of the korean missile)?

Do you not understand you just can't be shooting off missiles over the airspace of other countries? That's part of the problem of why the rest of the world thinks we're arrogant. We just can't do what we want, when we want.

Man, that's an arrogant attitude, JT.

Hard to believe there's a lot of people in the world that don't like us and want to destroy us....

My apologies, danimal.

JT is a prime example of American arrogance after this post:

JT wrote:
Mark, I'm not paranoid
are you denying any of
what I said is true.
You need to read more
than the Daily Kos to get
you info.
What would I have done
when N.Korea launched
their ICBM, I would have
shot it down and dared
them or the world to do
something about it.
it

Oh and firing off
a missile capable of
delivering a nuke
and theatening war
if anybody interferes
isn't arrogant on the
North Korean's part.

I'm sorry Mark,
I should have said
your that little
Korean nutbag Kim's
idea of a wet dream

Ya just don't get it, JT. And there's a lot of other republicans like you. That's why I can't be involved with that party anymore. People like you have pushed me to the other side.

Haven't you ever heard "two wrongs don't make a right"? It's pretty simple, but it seems so hard for some of you to understand.

I think you want to start WWIII. Boy, wouldn't that make the world a better place, huh?

btw, where was Bush while the koreans were spending EIGHT YEARS building the launch site for these missiles? What did Bush do in '06 when the koreans test launched 7 missiles?

That's right, Bush is no longer president so everything is Obama's fault now, huh?

"two wrongs don't make a right"
who says I'm wrong? standing up
to a bully with nukes and who's
threating war is wrong, while the rest
of the world looks the other way?
You put to much faith in trying
to look good to the Europeans.
Just remember this, the French
the Germans and the Spaniards
are pussies and it does us no good
as a country to look weak in front
of pussies.

That's right the
guy YOU voted for
is no longer around
to blame. So let's
see your third worlder
President fix it!

Mark, I have never called you an "idiot" or any other name but "Mark." I have also never told you not to speak your opinion or to go away or to shut up. I'm completely ok with you not agreeing with my opinion. Just don't tell me (or anyone else here) to shut up or go away because of it.

Wow, JT. You're more dense than I thought.

And I can own up to my mistakes. I made a mistake voting for Bush. As for Obama, it's too early to tell. But feel free to tell me I made a mistake there, too. These last few posts of yours were all I needed........ Thank you.

That's fine, Susan. But please don't tell me what I can or can't say.

If you're going to tell me not to tell others to shut up, then you better tell that to the others on here.
Oh, that's right. They agree with you, so it's ok for them to tell me to shut up, right?

Oh, and maybe you should have a talk to yourself. Remember writing this:

" If they should be expected to stop posting, then you probably should too. "

and this:

"May I suggest that you go create your own blog where you can be the supreme ruler and actually have the right to deny anyone you want their rights to their opinions? I think you would be much happier that way."
geez.....spare me, lady.

I see in your posts
you never denied
what I said about
Obama's failure to
get the European's
agreement to any
of his proposals.
You just called me
arrogant and paranoid
not an answer.
You didn't like my
idea of shooting down
the Korean missile.
How would you handle
it, I really do want to
hear it, so please
share.

Marky boy,
1st you said.....GET OVER IT! Obama is our president. He will be atleast until the next election. Now you can either sit around and whine and cry over stupid crap like this, or you can act like an adult and look at the big picture.

But I'm pretty sure which road you'll take.

Don't you think that was aprovication? Telling all of us to "act like an adult", is the same as calling us childish...and that IS name calling. So again, you are wrong. YOU started the the hostilities......and then YOU said,

4. Yes, everyone has a right to post here. Everybody knows that. But if the only thing they want to do is call people names, then I have no use for them. That's my opinion,......

now, when you called everyone less than 'adult', that was name calling. And you can't spin that any other way.

Mark, no one here should be telling anyone else to shut up or to go away. If someone is being obscene, profane or libelous, then Tom will take it upon himself to handle the situation, otherwise, every opinion here is tolerated. Including yours.

Of those two statements you quoted from me, NEITHER one of them was in any way telling you to "shut up" or to "go away". But you know that, you're just making a lame attempt at trying to twist it in your favor. Get over yourself.

lol Susan....

Most of us here ragged on Bush when we disagreed with him, which was quite often. He's still the lesser of two evils, but he's gone now, and we can hopefully find something other than a RINO to elect. However, for the record, what are Obama's attributes? A community organizer does no more than what Derry Glenn does, and we know that Glenn isn't fit for councilman, let alone a mayor, but he might make it, because we have been electing stupid people. Obama was a mass of words during the campaign, nothing more. He's also a liar, who promised not to raise taxes, yet he's taxing everything, including the damn air we breathe! You guys didn't know one thing about that man, except that his friends were all radical, American haters. He's the biggest phoney that came down the pike, and you liberals fell for it. You could have had Hillary, who's not much better, but at least she would have taken the slow boat to hell. Obama is going full speed ahead.

Happy is right ya know...

Thanks, danimal, and you, too, Susan! I'm just so mad about all the crap going on right now. While Obama eats pizza, we have another crisis on our hands. Some president!

Ok, first off, to Danimal:

This was your very first post to me:
"danimal wrote:
MArk,
In just a shor time you have said some of the stupidest things I have seen here since Latif was last posting. You are cleary in the dark. So tell us, just what IS this BIG PICTURE you refered to? Enlighten us as to just what the 'illegal' president has done so far that has helped anyone or anything.
And just FYI....so you might get a little education.....

Bowing originated as a gesture of subordination, as lowering the head leaves the bower vulnerable. This was particularly the case in Asian cultures such as that of samurai Japan.[citation needed]

Bowing to other human beings is frowned upon in Muslim cultures as all human beings are considered equal and bowing is only supposed to be done to God in Islam. Similarly, in Judaism the second of the Ten Commandments is generally interpreted to forbid bowing before anyone but God.

Now are we clear on this? You are wrong, plain and simple. The rest of us have it right. Shut up, unless you have something to say that you know something about.. "

You started the hostilities, BOY.

Now to Susan:
Please explain what point you were trying to get across in your posts, then. If you weren't saying "if you expect others to shut up, then you should too", then please explain what you are saying. If you still want to deny that you were telling me to shut up, or go away and start my own blog, then you've got your own problems to deal with. You can spin it anyway YOU want, but it ain't gonna fly.

And JT:
Sigh. You think we can go shooting missiles over the heads of anybody we want to, but yet, we're not arrogant? I don't think I have the time it's going to take to explain to you how wrong that is. Would you think it's ok for Canada or Mexico to shoot down missiles over our airspace? Do you have any idea where the debris will land? Do you care if anybody gets killed from it? Obviously not, because that's over there, not here in America, so who cares, right? America cannot afford to be the world's police force any longer. Our hands are full with the two wars we have going on right now. BUSH put us in a dangerous spot. Our military is maxed out and exhausted. We need to have other countries step up and help take care of countries like Korea. Japan has created new sanctions against N. Korea in response to the missile test. I'm fairly certain that our military is keeping close tabs on N. Korea and if a missile comes out of there and is heading for the U.S., we'll know it and have plenty of time to shoot it down in order to protect our country. Then, once we're attacked, we'll have every right to do what we need to take care of N. Korea. If we attack them first, then we run the risk of losing what few allies we still have and leave ourselves wide open. That would be idiotic, in my opinion.

And Happy:
Please point out an honest politician. When did Obama promise not to raise taxes? I only heard him talk about INCOME tax, which he said he would raise on the wealthier people. And not ALL of his friends were radical, American haters. In fact, none of them were American haters. They just didn't agree with the American GOVERNMENT, which, obviously, you don't agree with the American government, either. So are you an American Hater? I have read Obama's books and read about the weathermen and what they were trying to accomplish. If you knew more about what our government does to other countries, you'd probably understand where they were coming from. Put it this way, if you think our government is screwing it's own citizens, just imagine what they do to other countries. Think about that for awhile....

Mark, nice appeal to the intelligence.Now let's try this again
and I'll try to put it in a different way so that you will
understand what I ask you Ok? N. Korean is an outlaw nation
that is using nuclear weapons to blackmail the world and
now they've launched a ICBM that's capable of hitting the U.S.
The Koreans had been warned, by the President and they
launched anyway. Now if you were the man in charge WHAT
would you have done about it? and please don't give me that Mexican
Canadian crap, answering my question with a question isn't
an answer and I didn't ask you how the Japanese reacted either.
If you don't give me a straight answer then YOUR posts
tell's me all I need to know.

What more do you want? I gave you an answer. It's not my fault that you don't understand it.

All I heard from you is "shoot it down"! What, you don't think they can build another one? Is that your answer? Just shoot their missiles down?

You never gave me an answer, unless your answer
is to do absolutely nothing, which you should have
said so, but sticking your head in the sand is not
an answer. Yes as long as the N.Koreans keep
launching ICBMs we should keep shooting them down,
simple as that, the world does nothing when they launch
the damn things, the world won't do anything when we
shoot them down.

Ok, let me explain it to you. We already have sanctions against N. Korea. You do know what those are, right? We need to get the rest of the world to impose more sanctions against them, basically cut them off. But then China will probably get involved, since they're buddies. Guess what? China already has nuclear weapons. China is the one blocking the UN security council from doing anything about this in the first place. I think N. Korea is hellbent on starting WWIII and if Obama acts like Bush (or you), we'll fall right into N. Korea's hands. They are like that kid that cries and cries, all they want is attention and if you keep giving it to them, they'll keep acting up.

Why yes my friend I do understand what sanctions are.
So do the N.Koreans and they don't care about them
one bit, thats why millions of N.Koreans are constantly
on the brink of starvation while Kim keeps launching
ICBMs. Where do you get the idea that China is buddies
with the N. Koreans. China would never start WWIII over
N.Korea. China doesn't want millions of starving Koreans
invading their border which is why they keep blocking the
UN Security Council. You gotta stop handwringing over what
the rest of the world thinks, show some spine for crying out
loud.

Mark, what I said needs no explanation if you actually think about what you read. My simple point was, IF you expect others to shut up and not be allowed an opinion here (which is exactly what you did), then YOU deserve the same thing yourself. If you're not willing to give up your own right to express your opinion, then don't tell anyone else to give up theirs. Nowhere did I tell you to shut up. I also did not tell you to "go away" and start your own blog. You are more than welcome to stick around here. I simply suggested that you should go create your own blog where you have the right to tell anyone you want to shut up. Doesn't mean I said you should not still post here. I have my own blog where I make all the rules and I still post here as well as several other blogs. Really, how difficult is that to understand?

Happy Easter to all of you!

As difficult as it is for you to understand the words you wrote, obviously. Whatever, Susan. It's funny you said nothing when danimal told me to shut up, but when I told him to shut up, you're all over my back. You start off jumping on me, trying to defend your buddy, but once it's pointed out to you that you're guilty of the same things, you're back-tracking. It's painfully obvious, since you can't let it go.

Anyways, I'm done with this conversation with you. There's no point in arguing about it any further.

Ok, JT. Let's just bomb N. Korea. How's that sound?

Susan, I must have missed that before, you have
blog?

Never said a word about bombing anything.
I said shoot the missiles down and see what
happens. Maybe the world will slap some sanctions
on us. Then we can be like some of our "Allies"
and make deals behind everybody's back like
the Europeans did with Saddam. The world doesn't
have America's best interests at heart and never
did. Deal with that reality.

Why should they? America doesn't have the world's best interest at heart.

And I tell ya, keep shooting missiles over another countries airspace and eventually you're going to have more problems. But who cares, right? It's not like you'd actually be the one having to go to war for some bonehead's mistake, right? You can sit and watch it on TV from the comfort of your own living room....

Oh, and Happy, here's an update on the pirate case:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy

I don't think you could ask for a better ending-captain free and pirates dead.

Way to go Obama-right? After all, it would have been his fault had it turned out differently, right?

N.Koreans had no problem shooting missiles
over Japanese airspace and the Japanese
have never provoked the N.Korean in to
doing it. If there's any boneheaded mistakes
Mark, it will be done by the N.Koreans and the
world ignoring it over and over.
On the pirate thing, that was the best way
of dealing with it, kill the pirates, but do you
think that was wise, it may start WWIII
you know with Somalia being buddies with
the pirates

If the U.S. doesn't have the worlds best interest at heart
why did we defend Europe from Soviet expansion for
50 years or better, America has always had the interests
of the world at heart, you should retract that statement.

America has America's interest at heart, as every other country has their own best interest at heart. That's a fact. We help out other countries, but we get things in return. That's the way it has always work, and the way it will continue to work. You aren't naive enough to think that we just go around passing out free money to people, are you?

And there's no reason to try to act like a smartass in your post above, either. You're not very good at it. But tell me, what's N.Korea planning to do? We have over 5,000 nuclear warheads, do you know that? Do you actually think N. Korea thinks they can't take us on? We can annihilate them ten times over.

Let me change the word "people" in that last sentence in the first paragraph to "countries".

Good for the navy. And, my point was that Obama would make no comments on the piracy. He was too busy. Now, that everything turned out ok, he will probably have a lot to say about it.

"You aren't naive enough to think that we just go around passing out free money to people, are you?"
Your right, except for the part where we give the Palestinians,
100 hundreds of millions of dollars and they dance in the streets
on important holidays like Sept 11. Quite a return for our money.
Now is that a better smartass answer for you!

N.Korea seems to be planning on firing more ICBMs as
long as the world does nothing.

"We can annihilate them ten times over."
One time should be enough.

No, Happy-you never said that before. What would you like Obama to say about the piracy? This just goes to show that you will find anything you can to complain about the man. Why is that?
And JT- N. Korea can shoot all the missiles they want to into the Pacific- doesn't hurt us a bit, now does it?

Oh, and JT- I wanted to change that word in my post from "people" to "countries".

Can you show me where the country of Palestine is on a map? I'm having a little trouble finding it....

We gave the Pakistani's 7 billion dollars to
fight al-Qaeda, the Paki's took our money and
now their making deals with them instead.

Look at any map produced in the Middle East
and you can find the state of Palestine, bet
we gave them the money to print them too.
We can keep this up all day long if you want.

There's a state of Palestine????

All of the Middle East considers Israel
to be the State of Palestine and they
produces maps that show such.

Now to get back to that statement about
us not giving out free money to "countries" for
nothing, you must have forgotten the part
about our "Carrot and Stick" approach to
N.Korea, we've been giving them millions and
look what happened last week. Sanctions
and pay offs don't work. If we aren't going
to do anything about it..fine!.. we just need
to stop talking the talk if we aren't
willing to walk the walk.

Wow, you're really upset about that rocket they launched into the ocean. You're acting like they killed somebody.

Threats are threats, just words and talk. Now when they actually do some damage or hurt somebody, let me know.

Mark, you have totally gone off the
track over what the discussion was
about. It was about talking tough and
then not backing up the words.

I believe YOU were the one concerned about
missile debris landing on someone, so we can shoot
down their missiles all we want and as long as it's
over the Pacific it wouldn't hurt us a bit now would it?

Just been following your lead, JT.

Actually, this discussion was about Obama bowing to a foreign leader...

Mark,
The country of N.Korea is propaganda ruled. The people there think they launched a missle into space and put a satilite in orbit. They also believe they can win any war with the US or anyone else, because thats what they are told, and taught. All of their info is from the state news ran by the government. They are the most dangerous country on the planet right now, because they have nothing to lose and the government knows it.
Preemtive action is needed in N. Korea, and shooting down an ICBM right over their heads would be a good start. The next failed launch could land right in Japan. That was the direction the missle was fired. Right over their air space. We have an obligation to Japan, because of a treaty. I am sure they would agree to us sending an interceptor into Korea to take out a ICBM. Also, why do you think they are testing these things? They are trying to get one they know will reach USA soil, to use as a threat. That you don't understand this is amazing.
PS. I see you never answered my post explaining that YOU were the one that sstarted with the name calling. I'll take that as an agreement on your part.

Danimal- I did answer your post, you're just not that observant.

What the people of N. Korea believe is one thing, what the leaders of N. Korea believe is another. It's the leaders calling the shots, not the people.

And I've said before-threats are just threats.

Marky boy,
Apples and oranges son. You were whining about NAME CALLING. In that post you paisted, I did not call you a name. True, I told you to shut up, because your facts were wrong, and you had no idea what bowing was about. Still, never called you a name. And I did say you said some of the stupidist things I have read on here...again, not name calling. I did not call you stupid. Obviously you are not stupid, you can type, and it's readable. You are just so misinformed that it's incredable.
Korea's leaders know it makes no differance. They already live in hell, and believe thay can win at the threat game. If we showed them they can't, the people might just get the idea they are being set up for extermination and take steps to correct the problem.
Either way, for a person as smart as you seem, tyou sure have some stupid ideas and a total missunderstanding of the world and how things work. No wonder you like Obama so much. Hell, I voted for him. I bought the big lie he told on the 1/2 show. Bush was as bad as it gets...McCain was no better.....the Clintons are outright liars and thieves...
an you are a hook, line, and sinker fish in a school of bait. Good luck with that.

JT, yes, I do have one, but it's not like this one. It's just a place I go and post my photography as well as my thoughts when the creative mood strikes...which isn't very often these days. I prefer visiting other people's over maintaining my own.

Daniaml- HAHAHAHA...okay, buddy. When I'm told to shut up, I take that as being hostile towards me, as any normal person would. You said I called people names by saying "act like an adult". Please tell me what name I was calling you, be specific. Your putting words in my mouth.

Here's some other hostilities and name calling from you:

"danimal wrote:
Mark,
At least I will go look for facts before running off at the mouth like you.
Thats what an education does for you...it teaches you HOW to get information. And when to use it. Thats what DEBATE is loser. "
Here's another one:

"Mark the blind idiot,
In JAPAN it's a sign of respect before battle...symbolism....see?
Moron...BUT YOU MIGHT JUST BE SO STUPID THAT YOU DID NOT KNOW oBAMA WAS IN saudi arabia...NOT JAPAN...WHEN HE BOWED...also Obama is not japanese, or a karate master. Lord you make no sense...how friggin stupid are you going to get?
IN THE MIDDLE EAST...ie: MUSLIM COUNTRIES...it is
Bowing to other human beings is frowned upon in Muslim cultures as all human beings are considered equal and bowing is only supposed to be done to God in Islam. Similarly, in Judaism the second of the Ten Commandments is generally interpreted to forbid bowing before anyone but God.
Can't you read? Thats not MY answer...thats from the dictionary and wikipedia....so it's accepted as factual...Now go learn something moron...AGAIN YOU ARE Wrong, "

So we have, LOSER, STUPID, IDIOT, MORON-all hostile names you have called me. And what names have I called you? Oh, I said "act like an adult". Yep, that's name calling all right.

In fact, please explain to me how I was being hostile in the first place.

And I understand how the world works just fine, thank you. We can shoot down missiles all we want, but that's not going to stop them from building more. And, I have also seen what happens when you initiate an attack on another country. Do you not see what's going on in Iraq? Do you know anything about the Korean War? Use your wiki and educate yourself.

It's a delicate situation. It needs to be solved with intelligence, not missiles. But I guess ya have to use what ya got, huh danimal?

Mark. well lets just see...
you said...way back in your 1st post on this issue..
Lucente, you really know how to bring out the stupid in people.....
Seems you called us all stupid before anyone eeven spoke to you....
want more?
you said..Some people make a living off of whining...... calling us whinners.

then you typed this.."And if you don't think America is viewed as arrogant by the rest of the world, well, that's being pretty arrogant....and naive. (arrogant and naive..name calling)...then this

To oldperson:
Please don't waste space. If you have nothing to add to the debate, then don't say anything. Have a good day!
(telling someone to shut up!!! )

then....you said "but all that's showing is your complete lack of common sense."....
these were ALL personal attacks on the people that post here. Every one of them was BEFORE I posted, and you set the tone of the debate by being condescending and rude.
FYI, when you tell someone to "act like an adult" you are in turn calling them "childish"...see how that works Marky boy? Calling you an idiot is not name calling...it's just states the facts.
So there is the explination you asked for...simple really. If you are not man enough to own up to your mistakes, again, I say shut up, you stupid, loser, idiot, moron.

So, you're stating facts and I'm name calling, huh? Nice how you so conveniently skip over all of the rude comments made towards me.

Danimal- Your comprehension skills are severely lacking, too. Nice try twisting things, though.
I'm sure everyone is glad to have you, the big bad bodyguard, here to protect them.

I think it's time to hire a babysitter around here. I've heard more more mature arguments from my three year old.

Susan,
Your a camera bug eh? so is my Mrs, I will
have to give you her website and you two
can compare. She's really into it, last year
when we went out west on vacation she
snapped 3000 pics!

I know, Susan. I'm sorry I stooped to Danimal's level.

My apologies.

@Susan,
Yup, yer right, but as I was reading everything mark was jumping on you and JT and oldperson about, it PO'd to no end. But since he won't own up to the fact that it was his condiscending tripe that started it, I do not apologize, except to say that I agree with you that it is not good debate ...when people like Mark come in and jump on people like Oldperson and etc. it really gets me pissed. They like to attack, but never admit it was thier attitude that caused the riff. Just like that last cheep shot from Mark...stooped to My level? I was stooping to his level so he would understand.. Folks like that never do "GET IT".
@Mark,
There were ZERO rude comments made to you before you started in on these other folks.
I twisted nothing...I laid out the quotes IN ORDER. Simple really. If you want to be treated with respect, respect others.
And I will defend whoever I choose, wether they ask for it or not. Susan and I don't agree on everything, and have debated many things. Same with JT. Same with Tom L.
I consider this matter settled. If you have another way you wish to settle up...lemme know.

whatever dan

Well...sometimes it's just too easy to get sucked into a vicious circle of one-ups that just end up getting more and more ridiculous until every last bit of meaningful discussion is gone. I don't care who started it, we're all guilty of it to some extent at some time or another around here. The question here is, who will be man enough to end it?

Actually I enjoyed the debate, I was commenting
between washing the cars, waxing them and
mowing the yards, just popping in and out
all day.

Susan,
Ok, for my part, -vs-Mark, it's over. (At least for this debate that never was.)
Thanks for the "fem" view and some earthbound opinion.

That wasn't a "fem" view that was a
"nanny" view.

JT, I am a full time mom to four children... the "nanny" view comes quite naturally to me, which is probably what makes the childish name-calling and "did not!" "did TOO!" and "he started it!", sort of behavior under the guise of "debate" all the more irritating to me when it's coming from adults.

Susan, just razzing you on the mommy scold thing,
comes naturally to all mothers I guess.

Thomas, when is your next column coming.

Yeah TOM,
we'er done bashing each other, so get a move on. we know thats why you start these arguments between us...so you don't have to blog 'till we'er done. So OK...gimme a good reason to lay into Marky Mark some more

HEre is something to think about...
As many blacks keep screaming they don't get equality, or enough chances...ponder this:
The most powerful man in the world is Black..Obama
The republican National commitee chairman is Black
Themost popular media mogul is Black..Winfrey
The best golfer is Black
The best female tennis players are Black..Williams sisters
The highest paid actor is Black....Will Smith
The top race car driver in the world is Black...whats his name Open wheeled cars
The brightest astrophysicist is Black..watch Science Channle
The super bowl winning coach is Black
The worlds most succesful brain surgion is Black
The fastest human alive is Black....
Michael Jackson must be kicking himself in the arss right about now...every since he becaame white, it's been down hill for us honkys.

Danny, why do you have to bring my name up? I thought we were done?

Mark, (F?)
Dude, unlax, relax...it was just a little prod at Tom. Like it or not, sooner or later TL will bring up a subject that you and I agree on...oh look..I think I just saw a pig fly by my window.

You both voted for Obama, that's something
you agreed on!

GRRRRRRRRRRRR
JT, now don't you start pissen me off too!!!! lol...I already gave my public apology for voting for him....

I know you apologized, your about the only guy
in America who has! The others who voted for
him won't apologize until some "man caused disaster"
like a nuke goes off in NYC. But then of course they
would probably blame America first.

But then of course they
would probably blame America first.

They'd blame Bush first; then America.

See there, JT etal,
I can and do admit when I'm wrong. Now WHOM do you mean about blaming America first?
Dare I venture a guess? ...could it be mayyybeee...Umm, begins with an "M"...sounds like fark....
Oh man, now I did it. Good 'ol 'M fark' never said it, but do you think he believes AMERICA is to blame for the 911 plane crashes? Just curious as to M-fark's take on that. Or I wonder if 'you know who' thinks it was all faked at the Pentagon and in Pennsilvania?

I never said that about anyone in paticular
and I don't think Mark, would blame America
for 911. We just have different ideas about
dealing with our enemies.

OOO, you used the MARK word dude. I never said that! Anyway, I was just taking a shot at his goat. A wise man once said, if someone is getting your goat, move yer goat!
I tend to agree more with your way of dealing with our enemies. If we show any signs of weakness, they will exploit it every time and use it against us in the future.
We, (the USA) are still the most diverse, multi cultural, religious, and open nation EVER, in the history of the world, and thats what makes us great. If we were so bad, why is it that our country is the one that accepts so many millions that want to come here? And then suports them while they get established. Must be something the world likes about us, or so many would not be comming here.

Dan, you can quit being an ass, now.

And no, I don't think America was to blame for 9/11. There was a serious breakdown in our intelligence on that one.

Definitely a serious breakdown in intelligence.
That would be Bill Clinton's intelligence, several times
he had the chance to take out Bin Ladin and didn't,
leaving a Neo-Con like Bush to handle it. Perfect
example of not standing up to your enemies, or
worse, ignoring them even after they attempt to
blow up the Twin Towers, or bomb embassies or
attact our Navy.

I agree there.

April 15,2009...write that down. JT, Mark and danimal all agreed on something. Oh man, and I thought the world wasn't ending until 12/23/2012

I believe it's 12/21/2012